997.2 911 Turbo or Turbo S- Why would you try to extract more HP?
10-08-2011, 04:04 PM
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ok, this is bit dated but relevant. note the cargraphic (rs tuning) 997.1tt package (modified VTGs, secan coolers, tune + exhaust - all in all minor bolt-ons update). rs tuning ran the race supported 3 cars (engines) in this year's 24h Nurburgring race - ie. not the name you ever likely to run into advertizing exhausts on rennlist. same package but with 3.9l upgrade on the engine runs deep into sub 20s - Toby's GT2 car comes to mind (search for best VTG build on GT2/GT3 forum section).
0-300km/h stock cars
24.7s - Koenigsegg CCX-R, 806 PS/1473 kg
26.7s - Gumpert Apollo, 700 PS/1148 kg
29.7s - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV, 670 PS/1751 kg
40.6s - Wiesmann GT MF5, 507 PS/1421 kg
41.9s - Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK, 500 PS/1606 kg
50.3s - Porsche GT3, 435 PS/1453 kg
53.7s - Aston Martin V12 Vantage, 517 PS/1709 kg
69.3s - Cadillac CTS-V, 564 PS/1955 kg
0-300km/h tuned cars
22,8 s - Geiger-Ford GT
23,8 s - Cargraphic-997 Turbo GT RSC
26,4 s - TechArt GTstreet RS
27.3s - Ruf Rt12 S, 685 PS/1608 kg
35,5 s - MTM-Audi RS6 R
43,2 s - Geiger-Corvette Z06
0-300km/h stock cars
24.7s - Koenigsegg CCX-R, 806 PS/1473 kg
26.7s - Gumpert Apollo, 700 PS/1148 kg
29.7s - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV, 670 PS/1751 kg
40.6s - Wiesmann GT MF5, 507 PS/1421 kg
41.9s - Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK, 500 PS/1606 kg
50.3s - Porsche GT3, 435 PS/1453 kg
53.7s - Aston Martin V12 Vantage, 517 PS/1709 kg
69.3s - Cadillac CTS-V, 564 PS/1955 kg
0-300km/h tuned cars
22,8 s - Geiger-Ford GT
23,8 s - Cargraphic-997 Turbo GT RSC
26,4 s - TechArt GTstreet RS
27.3s - Ruf Rt12 S, 685 PS/1608 kg
35,5 s - MTM-Audi RS6 R
43,2 s - Geiger-Corvette Z06
Are you sure to say Toby's GT2 runs deep SUB-20s ??? (0-300kmh) - you wanna reconsider that statement ?
10-08-2011, 06:38 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_acceleration
10-08-2011, 10:31 PM
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Looks like Evoms tuned 996TT 0-300 KM - 14.41 Seconds
Thats impressive!
http://www.evoms.com/home.asp
Thats impressive!
http://www.evoms.com/home.asp
10-09-2011, 07:00 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_acceleration
10-09-2011, 02:24 PM
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Well mate, always happy to help. TTS porsche 0-60 time is 3.1 and "some" tested it to 2.7-2.8. There are give or take oem 13 cars that beat and another 4 or so, in case you have hard time counting, equal 3.1. To remind you of the original poster's question - why to mod TTS - let's keep it to that topic. I've msg Toby to confirm his 0-300, but given where rs tuning 3.6l came up it should be less than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_acceleration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_acceleration
Lets face it, there are only a handful of stock cars that can outdrag a tts pdk from 0-60 (which has been timed at 2.6s), so your original assertion to the contrary is just dumb.
Oh, and to save you the time waiting for your email response from Toby, how about I just give you the answer, because when I was last in the car with Toby a couple mths back we were clocking mid to high 13's 0-150mph and the tune was good for low to mid 20's 0-300kmh... i.e. your "deep sub 20s" comment = rubbish.
10-09-2011, 02:30 PM
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And as a 3.6l, the car had been timed between 26-28s to 300kmh that I witnessed and am aware, surface/conditions dependent - an additional 100-150hp for the 3.9l would in no way take you into deep sub 20s territory.
10-09-2011, 04:58 PM
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23.8sec is the official timed 0-300 on 3.6l cargraphic/rs-tuning kit from german tuners grand prix a couple of years back. You are disputing that ? How about a 997.1tt (stripped) with the same kit doing it 20.2-20.9sec.
You witnessed 3.9l kit doing high 13sec 0-150mph(240kph) run and extrapolate it needs another 10 seconds to get to 300kph ? Mmmm.
That's not what I heard this summer when I was in Kirchhaslach - granted it was not Toby's. No point it giving exact time - for exact reasons you've mentioned in terms of conditions, but say 18sec is deep under 20sec in my book. We go from "I'm struggling to think of many at all" to "there are only a handful of stock cars". Yes TTS PDK is a fast car. 0-60 time is its best point - but it DOES get beaten there even by plenty=enough of stock cars. If it's the perfection itself is in the eye of beholder. I certainly can understand why one wouldnt want to touch it. All I've said there are plenty of faster cars in the real world. If one is pationate enough and has resources he can make it better - even if by changing brake pads. It's good enough reason to, Im sure Dr. Porsche woudn't mind the spirit.
some other times 0-300 times
Ruf RT-12 24.8sec
Brabus 800 E 23.9sec
9ff GT9-R 14.9sec
10-09-2011, 05:40 PM
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You get what you ask for in terms of attitude so dont complain. Though I'm sorry nevertheless matey.
23.8sec is the official timed 0-300 on 3.6l cargraphic/rs-tuning kit from german tuners grand prix a couple of years back. You are disputing that ? How about a 997.1tt (stripped) with the same kit doing it 20.2-20.9sec.
You witnessed 3.9l kit doing high 13sec 0-150mph(240kph) run and extrapolate it needs another 10 seconds to get to 300kph ? Mmmm. That's not what I heard this summer when I was in Kirchhaslach - granted it was not Toby's. No point it giving exact time - for exact reasons you've mentioned in terms of conditions, but say 18sec is deep under 20sec in my book.
We go from "I'm struggling to think of many at all" to "there are only a handful of stock cars". Yes TTS PDK is a fast car. 0-60 time is its best point - but it DOES get beaten there even by plenty=enough of stock cars. If it's the perfection itself is in the eye of beholder. I certainly can understand why one wouldnt want to touch it. All I've said there are plenty of faster cars in the real world. If one is pationate enough and has resources he can make it better - even if by changing brake pads. It's good enough reason to, Im sure Dr. Porsche woudn't mind the spirit.
some other times 0-300 times
Ruf RT-12 24.8sec
Brabus 800 E 23.9sec
9ff GT9-R 14.9sec
23.8sec is the official timed 0-300 on 3.6l cargraphic/rs-tuning kit from german tuners grand prix a couple of years back. You are disputing that ? How about a 997.1tt (stripped) with the same kit doing it 20.2-20.9sec.
You witnessed 3.9l kit doing high 13sec 0-150mph(240kph) run and extrapolate it needs another 10 seconds to get to 300kph ? Mmmm.
That's not what I heard this summer when I was in Kirchhaslach - granted it was not Toby's. No point it giving exact time - for exact reasons you've mentioned in terms of conditions, but say 18sec is deep under 20sec in my book. We go from "I'm struggling to think of many at all" to "there are only a handful of stock cars". Yes TTS PDK is a fast car. 0-60 time is its best point - but it DOES get beaten there even by plenty=enough of stock cars. If it's the perfection itself is in the eye of beholder. I certainly can understand why one wouldnt want to touch it. All I've said there are plenty of faster cars in the real world. If one is pationate enough and has resources he can make it better - even if by changing brake pads. It's good enough reason to, Im sure Dr. Porsche woudn't mind the spirit.
some other times 0-300 times
Ruf RT-12 24.8sec
Brabus 800 E 23.9sec
9ff GT9-R 14.9sec
10s from 150-186mph is absolutely in-line with the kind of tune the 3.9l iss. I do believe Toby's car is faster now than when I last saw it - its a monster no doubt, but it is NOT a sub-20s car.
I can't speak about any magazine times as no one really knows what lengths tuners go to when they are officially being timed by the big mags/tuner grand prix's compared to full weight customer packages they offer.
10-09-2011, 07:04 PM
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I am not extrapolating anything - I have the data-logs on my computer.... have logged the widest range of turbos in the UK, from stock to 800hp+ at bruntingthorpe, including Toby's in 3.6 and 3.9l configuration, so I'm pretty clear on whats what.
10s from 150-186mph is absolutely in-line with the kind of tune the 3.9l iss. I do believe Toby's car is faster now than when I last saw it - its a monster no doubt, but it is NOT a sub-20s car.
I can't speak about any magazine times as no one really knows what lengths tuners go to when they are officially being timed by the big mags/tuner grand prix's compared to full weight customer packages they offer.
10s from 150-186mph is absolutely in-line with the kind of tune the 3.9l iss. I do believe Toby's car is faster now than when I last saw it - its a monster no doubt, but it is NOT a sub-20s car.
I can't speak about any magazine times as no one really knows what lengths tuners go to when they are officially being timed by the big mags/tuner grand prix's compared to full weight customer packages they offer.
you know what difference 1% in slope makes on 0-300 times and you've corrected for that ? What's the time difference between "observed" times and Bruntingthorpe times on stock cars say for 0-200kph ?Havent heard from Toby but will note that stripped 20-21sec car awaiting 3.9l conversion is mine. Though again, all this is an illustration to the point I was trying to make.....drumroll....
What is 0-300 TTS PDK time by the way ?
10-09-2011, 08:02 PM
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how rough and uphill is the Bruntingthorpe runway anyways you know what difference 1% in slope makes on 0-300 times and you've corrected for that ? What's the time difference between "observed" times and Bruntingthorpe times on stock cars say for 0-200kph ?
Havent heard from Toby but will note that stripped 20-21sec car awaiting 3.9l conversion is mine. Though again, all this is an illustration to the point I was trying to make.....drumroll....
What is 0-300 TTS PDK time by the way ?
you know what difference 1% in slope makes on 0-300 times and you've corrected for that ? What's the time difference between "observed" times and Bruntingthorpe times on stock cars say for 0-200kph ?Havent heard from Toby but will note that stripped 20-21sec car awaiting 3.9l conversion is mine. Though again, all this is an illustration to the point I was trying to make.....drumroll....
What is 0-300 TTS PDK time by the way ?
Since you ask; 150-180mph at brunters, the height increase between these speeds was 0.152m, with a starting height of 179.226m.... i'll let you do the maths on the incline % since you commented that I can't count.
GTPP have timed loads of cars at brunters, they clocked the 997tts pdk 0-100 in 6.6s, 150 in 15.7s, so if your trying to insinuate that brunters is slow and unrepresentative, perhaps think again.
If you want to carry on with this conversation, please PM me, I don't want to hijack this thread any further.
10-09-2011, 08:07 PM
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how rough and uphill is the Bruntingthorpe runway anyways you know what difference 1% in slope makes on 0-300 times and you've corrected for that ? What's the time difference between "observed" times and Bruntingthorpe times on stock cars say for 0-200kph ?
Havent heard from Toby but will note that stripped 20-21sec car awaiting 3.9l conversion is mine. Though again, all this is an illustration to the point I was trying to make.....drumroll....
What is 0-300 TTS PDK time by the way ?
you know what difference 1% in slope makes on 0-300 times and you've corrected for that ? What's the time difference between "observed" times and Bruntingthorpe times on stock cars say for 0-200kph ?Havent heard from Toby but will note that stripped 20-21sec car awaiting 3.9l conversion is mine. Though again, all this is an illustration to the point I was trying to make.....drumroll....
What is 0-300 TTS PDK time by the way ?
10-10-2011, 02:02 PM
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Other points and illustrations still stand
10-29-2011, 01:00 AM
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Last Wednesday night I ran 11.03 and 11.06 at 127 MPH in my new Turbo S Coupe.I own a Corvette ZR1 and a Gen 4 Viper.The TS make the Viper and ZR1 look and feel slow. This was just pushing the gas also in sport mode.Car is totally stock.With more miles and using launch control 10.80s at 130 easy.
Their is No Turbo lag at all in my TS.It is in the boost instantly as soon as I nail it.
First Porsche for me.Very ,Very Happy with it.Been racing friends for over 10 years with many HP cars.Wed. with the TS no one was even close. First time for that (:
Their is No Turbo lag at all in my TS.It is in the boost instantly as soon as I nail it.
First Porsche for me.Very ,Very Happy with it.Been racing friends for over 10 years with many HP cars.Wed. with the TS no one was even close. First time for that (: