New 997tt as my first stick?
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Ok I have a dellema I always wanted a Porsche in stick I can now finally get one but I never really learned how to drive stick and I don't know anyone who has a car with a manual transmission. I can't bring my self to buing my dream car in PDK. I drove a pdk and yes it's fast but it just did not do it for me. Am I about to make a very expensive mistake?
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I drove many a PDK car before I selected my 6 sp 2007 TT. Since I am not going to track my car, I am cool with the stick experience. I have driven 911's for almost 30 years and all have been sticks. It is what I expect, regardless of the posted times in magazines.
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I prefer a stick shift, even in traffic. But I am an old geezer and very old school. As far as learning to drive a stick on a 997TT... no problem except its a major expense if you were to slip it too much and shorten the clutch life. So pay close attention to NOT slipping it, and making the engagements as quickly and smoothly as possible. Your clutch will thank you some day. Actually. You can expect a thank you note in the mail.
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porsche manual trans is VERY easy to learn on and very forgiving... this also makes it a breeze to drive in heavy traffic with.
just remember, the clutch is everything, the gas comes in after and you'll be fine... don't rev and rev while feathering the clutch (this will hurt the car).. if you focus on clutch engagement, the rest will come naturally.
also avoid skip shifting until you have everything down pat for a few good months, and don't leave your foot on the clutch, that's what the dead pedal is for.. on the clutch, off the clutch, dead pedal.
that being said, if i was buying a new TT, it would be PDK regardless of how many 6 speed sports cars i've had... i simply could not say no to having a 2.9second 0-60 which rivals the bugatti for 90% less.... 6 speed is fast, but 2.9 seconds 0-60=Rocketship.
just remember, the clutch is everything, the gas comes in after and you'll be fine... don't rev and rev while feathering the clutch (this will hurt the car).. if you focus on clutch engagement, the rest will come naturally.
also avoid skip shifting until you have everything down pat for a few good months, and don't leave your foot on the clutch, that's what the dead pedal is for.. on the clutch, off the clutch, dead pedal.
that being said, if i was buying a new TT, it would be PDK regardless of how many 6 speed sports cars i've had... i simply could not say no to having a 2.9second 0-60 which rivals the bugatti for 90% less.... 6 speed is fast, but 2.9 seconds 0-60=Rocketship.
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Not really recommended - not just on 997tt but on any high horsepower car. Even if the cost of transmission and gearbox rebuild not an issue - learning to drive a manual properly could prevent potential accidents (spin-off due to missed downshift/engine damage on missed shift etc). I understand that people dont use 997tts to race around on the roads nor double clutching skills are required but there is a fine line - these are serious cars. I would recommend practicing and learning on a less powerfull vehicle - and invest some time with a racing coach/school (even porsche driving school) to get up to a technique.
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You will get up to speed in no time. Spend a weekend in your new 6speed, hit some parking lots to get the low speed feel right, hit the freeways to have some fun, then do some stop/go traffic stuff where you know the roads. In two days you'll be right where you need to be. Enjoy it.
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The stick on a Turbo does take getting used to, more than a NA 911. The boost on the turbo hits in 1st gear and you can hit the rev limiter quickly if you not quick to shift into 2nd.
If the 997TT is different than the 996TT I apologize, but my 996TT took some getting used to, by shifting as soon as the boost really hits.
I've always wondered about the TIP on the 997TT. There seems to be alot on the market, but I've been told its a very good mate with the Turbo engine. The PDK even more, but MUCH higher $$ to get into.
Jason
If the 997TT is different than the 996TT I apologize, but my 996TT took some getting used to, by shifting as soon as the boost really hits.
I've always wondered about the TIP on the 997TT. There seems to be alot on the market, but I've been told its a very good mate with the Turbo engine. The PDK even more, but MUCH higher $$ to get into.
Jason
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There are cheaper and more forgiving cars than a 997TT to learn stick on.
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Contact your local PCA and I am sure someone will help you out.
I went from a 996 6 speed to an 07 997tt tip because I got tired of the traffic here in Houston with a stick. Plus now I just mash the gas and go.........................
I went from a 996 6 speed to an 07 997tt tip because I got tired of the traffic here in Houston with a stick. Plus now I just mash the gas and go.........................
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Ok I have a dellema I always wanted a Porsche in stick I can now finally get one but I never really learned how to drive stick and I don't know anyone who has a car with a manual transmission. I can't bring my self to buing my dream car in PDK. I drove a pdk and yes it's fast but it just did not do it for me. Am I about to make a very expensive mistake?
Not knowing how to drive a stick is not an excuse. No one is born knowing how to drive a stick, or even an automatic transmission car. I learned to drive a stick when I was at a motorcycle race and my motorcycle broke down and one of the other racers gave me the keys to his car to let me pass the time until the race was over and we could load the bikes up in the trailer and head home. I learned in just a few minutes of careful practice. It took more time to become comfortable in all situations but you work up to it.
Where do you live? Maybe someone from here can help you with some driving instruction?
Or have a spouse/family member or friend -- someone who knows how to drive a stick -- rent a manual equipped car with you listed as one of the drivers then have the other driver drive the car to a large vacant parking lot and practice taking off from a stop, both forward and backwards, then advance to shifting up and down gears until you feel comfortable taking the car out on the street, in light traffic of course.
Sincerely,
Macster.
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The stick on a Turbo does take getting used to, more than a NA 911. The boost on the turbo hits in 1st gear and you can hit the rev limiter quickly if you not quick to shift into 2nd.
If the 997TT is different than the 996TT I apologize, but my 996TT took some getting used to, by shifting as soon as the boost really hits.
I've always wondered about the TIP on the 997TT. There seems to be alot on the market, but I've been told its a very good mate with the Turbo engine. The PDK even more, but MUCH higher $$ to get into.
Jason
If the 997TT is different than the 996TT I apologize, but my 996TT took some getting used to, by shifting as soon as the boost really hits.
I've always wondered about the TIP on the 997TT. There seems to be alot on the market, but I've been told its a very good mate with the Turbo engine. The PDK even more, but MUCH higher $$ to get into.
Jason
Even though I've been driving a stick for ever I took my time getting comfortable with my Turbo. I sure didn't take the car out right off the lot and try to set a 0-60mph elapsed time record with it.
Sincerely,
Macster.
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Or have a spouse/family member or friend -- someone who knows how to drive a stick -- rent a manual equipped car with you listed as one of the drivers then have the other driver drive the car to a large vacant parking lot and practice taking off from a stop, both forward and backwards, then advance to shifting up and down gears until you feel comfortable taking the car out on the street, in light traffic of course.
Sincerely,
Macster.
Sincerely,
Macster.
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I think so.
This is not a car to learn in, no matter how easy people say it is. Cmon everyone, I cant believe you are recommending someone to learn how to drive a stick on a TT!! Driving a stick and learning how to properly use one takes years. And it is always safer to experiment on lesser (power wise) and cheaper cars.
Rxmike, postpone your dream for a few years. Start with a normally aspirated rear or four wheel drive sports car. Track it. Use it, learn how to toss it. Double clutch, left foot brake, miss a few shifts, learn to match syncros and upshift with no clutch - feel the transmission... and after a couple of years, consider it again. Look at an older and much cheaper 996, or even an M3, I think that will be a great school.
It is overly simplistic to say that you can learn how to REALLY drive a manual TT "with no problems".
This is not a car to learn in, no matter how easy people say it is. Cmon everyone, I cant believe you are recommending someone to learn how to drive a stick on a TT!! Driving a stick and learning how to properly use one takes years. And it is always safer to experiment on lesser (power wise) and cheaper cars.
Rxmike, postpone your dream for a few years. Start with a normally aspirated rear or four wheel drive sports car. Track it. Use it, learn how to toss it. Double clutch, left foot brake, miss a few shifts, learn to match syncros and upshift with no clutch - feel the transmission... and after a couple of years, consider it again. Look at an older and much cheaper 996, or even an M3, I think that will be a great school.
It is overly simplistic to say that you can learn how to REALLY drive a manual TT "with no problems".
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Sure, why not?
My only issue with the new manual transmission is that it is no longer German, but made in south east Asia.
It is not a Getrag G50. hence, I question the long term reliability. That's a lot of scratch for the same tranny as a hyundi.
My only issue with the new manual transmission is that it is no longer German, but made in south east Asia.
It is not a Getrag G50. hence, I question the long term reliability. That's a lot of scratch for the same tranny as a hyundi.
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I think so.
This is not a car to learn in, no matter how easy people say it is. Cmon everyone, I cant believe you are recommending someone to learn how to drive a stick on a TT!! Driving a stick and learning how to properly use one takes years. And it is always safer to experiment on lesser (power wise) and cheaper cars.
Rxmike, postpone your dream for a few years. Start with a normally aspirated rear or four wheel drive sports car. Track it. Use it, learn how to toss it. Double clutch, left foot brake, miss a few shifts, learn to match syncros and upshift with no clutch - feel the transmission... and after a couple of years, consider it again. Look at an older and much cheaper 996, or even an M3, I think that will be a great school.
It is overly simplistic to say that you can learn how to REALLY drive a manual TT "with no problems".
This is not a car to learn in, no matter how easy people say it is. Cmon everyone, I cant believe you are recommending someone to learn how to drive a stick on a TT!! Driving a stick and learning how to properly use one takes years. And it is always safer to experiment on lesser (power wise) and cheaper cars.
Rxmike, postpone your dream for a few years. Start with a normally aspirated rear or four wheel drive sports car. Track it. Use it, learn how to toss it. Double clutch, left foot brake, miss a few shifts, learn to match syncros and upshift with no clutch - feel the transmission... and after a couple of years, consider it again. Look at an older and much cheaper 996, or even an M3, I think that will be a great school.
It is overly simplistic to say that you can learn how to REALLY drive a manual TT "with no problems".
For nearly anyone it takes very little time to learn to drive a stick shift well enough to get around safely without blowing up any transmissions, or engines.
As for double-clutching.., oh brother... I only do that when I want to shorten the life of the throwout/release bearing. These transmissions do not need to be double-clutched. They have synchros. They work very well and last a long time. (My 02 Boxster has never been double-clutched in its life and has over 244K miles on its original tranny/synchros (and clutch and release bearing too)).
If you left foot brake with a Turbo, at least this is the case with my 03, this cuts the throttle. Left foot braking is for WRC drivers.
Upshifting with no clutch? Sure, it can be done if one guesses just right by why risk it? What's to be gained other than the thrill of is if you nail the shift you can breathe a big sigh of relief you don't have to shell out for a $10K tranny R&R job.
To the OP. Decide it you want to drive a stick shift car or not. But if you there's nothing wrong with starting out with a Turbo. Heck I would have loved to have my first manual car a Turbo vs. a lowly Datsun 510 coupe.
Sincerely,
Macster.