boolala

With PDK and the new engine out you can forget your "investment" in the older technology.

Expect a steep decline from here on out in the value of the previous gen TT.

TT Surgeon

^ that remains to be seen, but I doubt it......in fact the opposite may be true.
I still don't think the hit on an 09 is gonna be that much. There is no way that car will go for 90k. I've seen comparable 07s still fetch 90+k.

Swoody

That is the case with every car when the mfr. rolls out a "new and improved" model, esp. if it's their flagship model. Big deal, there is no way you can look at these things as investments (they're really just toys!) and should go in full well knowing there will be depreciation with or without a new model coming out. That being said I believe that car will go for over $100k, as it should.

Redmist

I sure am glad you spoke up. I thought that after studying the prices of '07s and 08's for the past three months I had missed something. For those "extra" miles you get and extra year of warranty and less depreciation than an '07 or 08. I 've see many (nice) '07s going for low to mid 90's. I'm pretty sure this is a $100k + car.

docjackson1

with all due respect to you my friend, i would have to disagree with your assertion that all the years are similar. of the dry sump 997 turbos, the 09 is the most desireable model year. why? the nav/radio screen has been upgraded to the touch screen, the availability of xm traffic, the built-in xm radio option, the ipod adapter, built in bluetooth option, possibility of ventilated seats. i had an 07, and the 09, with the previously mentioned options, is, to me, a better package. seperate from these options, an 08 with the same mileage as an 07 will be worth more money. in 07, when the 997 turbo came out, the lack of available bluetooth, the abscence of traffic made the porsche lag behind the japanese cars, which had a slick gps/traffic setup with integrated satellite radio and bluetooth. in 09, although not as good as the top japanese systems, they at least made the package a bit more complete and comfortable to own.

Porscheholic

Doc - I certainly respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from. I'm only giving my personal perspective - all the benefits you mention for the '09 just don't make any difference whatsoever to me, so they have no additional value for me. I also tend to keep my cars for a long time (10 years or so) so I'm not worried about resale value, either. I don't buy cars that I can't afford, so I figure even if the car is worth $0 after ten years, I'm OK with that. I am very happy that I was able to get a very low mileage '07 with every option and color combination that I really wanted for a relative bargain. I was happy not to have to spend an additional $10,000 (or whatever the delta is) to get an '08 or '09. And that's all I'm suggesting to potential buyers - you can get a fantastic 997 Turbo for a relative bargain if you can do without some of the bells and whistles. The engines in the '07, '08, and '09 are identical if I'm not mistaken.

I've also looked at the 997.2 TT and I would have to spend $50,000 more to get a car similar to mine. I understand all the improvements that have been made, but I can't justify that increase to myself - the 997.1 is all the car I'll ever need.

And I'm certainly not trying to be critical of buyers who can really appreciate the improvements in the newer cars - I'm just not that skilled of a driver.

docjackson1

I understand your point. You drive that car in good health

Porscheholic

Thanks Doc - I love my car!

goatfarmer1970

I appreciate the civilized discussion -- genuinely. Next question, assuming Excellence is right about the huge improvements in the 997.2 TT, can the dynamic motor mounts be retrofitted to the 997.1 cars? Same question for an ECU that reduces the ADD / hyperactivity of the diff as it relates to feeding the front wheels? Because, as I see it, if those things can be retrofitted for "mere thousands" of dollars, then a used 997.1 TT will be a lot better relative value. Personally, I want one enough to do something pretty bad.

docjackson1

i would say that your plans are not practical. i am not a mechanic, but i would imagine that your plans to convert a 997 to a 997.2 is impractical. the major difference between the new 997 and the 07-09 models are not the mounts and the "ADD/hyperactivity-it is the new engine (wet sump with 20 more hp and diferent injection) and the pdk. as such, i think that you are missing the main point there. even if you could change the mounts and ecu, you would not have anything close to a 997.2. and i am not even sure that the 997.2 is a better car than a 997. i just think that you are missing the main point here. anyone else able to chime in here with more mechanical understanding than me that can help explain this to the poster?

eclou

There has been alot of discussion about the dynamic motor mounts on the Gt3 forums as the early mk2 gt3s did not have them. Since the mounts activate in a binary fashion - on/off the thought was to simply tie it into the "sport" button signal which should be an easy task. Then again those who have the dynamic mounts so far have not reported feeling much difference between the modes. Also consider that a dynamic mount is possibly going to fail quicker than a non-dynamic mount, and that there is a tremendous amount of torque output from some of the modded turbos which may exceed the capacity of the dynamic mounts (speculation).

Now the issue of the differential programming is another issue. The thought of the differential being flashed to the more progressive response (as I understand it) of the '10 would be an attractive possibility. I think one might be able to assume the ECU in the '10 and pre '10 turbos use the same inputs regarding rpms, wheel speeds, angular velocity/yaw/etc, braking input so I would postulate that it could be done. I would like to see if someone from GIAC might be able to work on this if Porsche does not add some kind of firmware/software upgrade bulletin.

goatfarmer1970

Doc and Eclou,

I agree that the new larger displacement motor with higher static compression and lower boost, along with the PDK, was a big part of Excellence's love affair with the new car. But I like the old motor and 6-speed just fine, so I'll ignore for now. As for retrofitting the dynamic mounts, I suspect that you would notice the difference a lot more on the Turbo (compared to the GT3) because it is so much heavier and "softer" all around. Anyway, I know I could add firmer (static rather than dynamic) mounts and firm up the suspension and make a 997.1 TT very "right" for me and how I drive. So that just leaves the diff, and the need to calm things down. So somebody please make the ECU equivalent of torque split / active diff "Ritilin"...maybe even add PTV while you're at it. Either way, I love the car...very close to a perfect year-round DD in Portland, OR.

TT Surgeon

Why not just buy some semisolid motor mounts for a few dollars, they're dynamic all the time. I also hear that the old 996tt x73 motor mounts are a direct swap into the 997tt, they are much firmer than stock.
If you want to add a lsd, go wih a good aftermarket unit like the guards, the stock lsd will be fried in no time anyway.

eclou

Chris the '10 has a new programming for the AWD differential, not the rear diff.