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10-17-2007, 10:09 AM
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You need Protomotive's ECU and a nice exhaust system like a Cargraphic quiet
and you will have your neighbor wanting to slap a SuperCharger on his car.
I run very regularily with the Viper Club and and VERY FAMILIAR with their capabilities.
Get your car modded and be ready in the right gear/rpm (4000 rpm to START!!!)
and you will give plenty of them something to talk about.
MK
and you will have your neighbor wanting to slap a SuperCharger on his car.
I run very regularily with the Viper Club and and VERY FAMILIAR with their capabilities.
Get your car modded and be ready in the right gear/rpm (4000 rpm to START!!!)
and you will give plenty of them something to talk about.
MK
10-17-2007, 11:23 AM
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I think it is possible the Viper pulled on the Turbo.....Last night I was racing a 1992 Ford Escort. We started at 10MPH. I was in 6th. I hit the throttle. My RPM's shot up from 1025 to 1050, but I still saw nothing but Escort tailights. We did 4 consecutive runs....he pulled on me everytime. If I had a 7th gear, I feel I definitely could have taken him.
10-17-2007, 02:26 PM
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I'll be 61 in December and the only "wheel chair" I use is my '07 turbo. Its obvious from all the chatter than the wrong gear was used. I pull roughly 70 MPH in second gear with no apparent power fall off so why start at 50 in 4th?
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10-29-2007, 07:06 PM
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Come on boys, he has a new car and is breaking it in. So, 50 mph, 4th gear to stay below 4000rpm.
Give him a break. He'll learn fast enough with all these input here.
Give him a break. He'll learn fast enough with all these input here.
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10-29-2007, 07:58 PM
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Well as a new poster myself, from what I see it probably had to do more with something along the lines another poster mentioned.
The latter I mean..
10-31-2007, 08:55 PM
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I think it is possible the Viper pulled on the Turbo.....Last night I was racing a 1992 Ford Escort. We started at 10MPH. I was in 6th. I hit the throttle. My RPM's shot up from 1025 to 1050, but I still saw nothing but Escort tailights. We did 4 consecutive runs....he pulled on me everytime. If I had a 7th gear, I feel I definitely could have taken him.
11-02-2007, 03:37 AM
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I think it is possible the Viper pulled on the Turbo.....Last night I was racing a 1992 Ford Escort. We started at 10MPH. I was in 6th. I hit the throttle. My RPM's shot up from 1025 to 1050, but I still saw nothing but Escort tailights. We did 4 consecutive runs....he pulled on me everytime. If I had a 7th gear, I feel I definitely could have taken him.
Wow, really?
What year was the escort? I didnt know they were that fast.
Did it have a spoiler or something?
I'll surely keep away from them.
Sorry I couldnt resist to keep it going- I love your humor!
11-02-2007, 02:56 PM
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You might also note the Viper's hp doesn't decline when the 10 second SC overboost goes away.
If you took a ZO6, Viper, R8, and a tt, the tt might finish last. However, change the conditions, and the placing also changes.AS
11-02-2007, 04:02 PM
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Might be true in the rain, but not dry. Have you noticed that huge rear contact patch on the Dodge? The tt is a great all-around car, but the better driver will win in the "twisties", not the car. With equal drivers, the Viper wins.
You might also note the Viper's hp doesn't decline when the 10 second SC overboost goes away.
If you took a ZO6, Viper, R8, and a tt, the tt might finish last. However, change the conditions, and the placing also changes.AS
You might also note the Viper's hp doesn't decline when the 10 second SC overboost goes away.
If you took a ZO6, Viper, R8, and a tt, the tt might finish last. However, change the conditions, and the placing also changes.AS
The TT's hp does not decline after the overboost, actually it keeps going up until over 6000 rpm, overboost just increases torque between 2000 and 4000, hp keeps going up well beyond that point.
with equal drivers there is no way a front engine rear drive viper is going to keep up with an awd 911 on the twisties rain or shine, regardless of how fat the rear tire patch is.
11-02-2007, 05:31 PM
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AAHT,
You're kidding, right?
Whatever the tt is,as delivered, it is not the world's greatest handling car in dry conditions. I don't know what your racing or track credentials are, but maybe you need to have a well-driven Viper start out ahead of you on a twisty 2 mile track, and see if you get ahead within one mile. Not until it snows, is the simple answer.
The Sports chrono option raises the boost and hp of the 997tt, but drops off after 10 seconds. At least that is what is published. For the vast majority of cars, horsepower always goes up with revs, past 5200 rpm, except in engines tuned for torque, as is seen in truck applications. The Viper doesn't have the SC computer trick (overboost or transient ECU modification) in its arsenal, so its power is continuous, but that is not the case of the SC tt. If somebody asked me to pick a car for a 20 lap sprint race, given similar tire compounds, I'd take the Viper. If it was raining or snowing, I'd take the tt. Do we still disagree? AS
You're kidding, right?
Whatever the tt is,as delivered, it is not the world's greatest handling car in dry conditions. I don't know what your racing or track credentials are, but maybe you need to have a well-driven Viper start out ahead of you on a twisty 2 mile track, and see if you get ahead within one mile. Not until it snows, is the simple answer.
The Sports chrono option raises the boost and hp of the 997tt, but drops off after 10 seconds. At least that is what is published. For the vast majority of cars, horsepower always goes up with revs, past 5200 rpm, except in engines tuned for torque, as is seen in truck applications. The Viper doesn't have the SC computer trick (overboost or transient ECU modification) in its arsenal, so its power is continuous, but that is not the case of the SC tt. If somebody asked me to pick a car for a 20 lap sprint race, given similar tire compounds, I'd take the Viper. If it was raining or snowing, I'd take the tt. Do we still disagree? AS
11-03-2007, 03:48 AM
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How much seat time to you have in a late model Viper? The srt coupe is a hand full in the twisties, real world roads and needs your full attention to keep her pointing in the right direction. The 997tt in my experience and comparison would out handle the viper. Big old v-10 truck motors making 9mpg just don't cut either in my book, been there bro.
11-04-2007, 03:38 PM
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AAHT,
You're kidding, right?
Whatever the tt is,as delivered, it is not the world's greatest handling car in dry conditions. I don't know what your racing or track credentials are, but maybe you need to have a well-driven Viper start out ahead of you on a twisty 2 mile track, and see if you get ahead within one mile. Not until it snows, is the simple answer.
The Sports chrono option raises the boost and hp of the 997tt, but drops off after 10 seconds. At least that is what is published. For the vast majority of cars, horsepower always goes up with revs, past 5200 rpm, except in engines tuned for torque, as is seen in truck applications. The Viper doesn't have the SC computer trick (overboost or transient ECU modification) in its arsenal, so its power is continuous, but that is not the case of the SC tt. If somebody asked me to pick a car for a 20 lap sprint race, given similar tire compounds, I'd take the Viper. If it was raining or snowing, I'd take the tt. Do we still disagree? AS
You're kidding, right?
Whatever the tt is,as delivered, it is not the world's greatest handling car in dry conditions. I don't know what your racing or track credentials are, but maybe you need to have a well-driven Viper start out ahead of you on a twisty 2 mile track, and see if you get ahead within one mile. Not until it snows, is the simple answer.
The Sports chrono option raises the boost and hp of the 997tt, but drops off after 10 seconds. At least that is what is published. For the vast majority of cars, horsepower always goes up with revs, past 5200 rpm, except in engines tuned for torque, as is seen in truck applications. The Viper doesn't have the SC computer trick (overboost or transient ECU modification) in its arsenal, so its power is continuous, but that is not the case of the SC tt. If somebody asked me to pick a car for a 20 lap sprint race, given similar tire compounds, I'd take the Viper. If it was raining or snowing, I'd take the tt. Do we still disagree? AS
Alex we will agree to disagree, but it is ok since one of us owns and tracks one of the 2 cars we are talking about and has driven the other car, while the other is reading what is published....
I respect your opinion but it doesn't have to be true.
11-04-2007, 09:27 PM
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The TT's hp does not decline after the overboost, actually it keeps going up until over 6000 rpm, overboost just increases torque between 2000 and 4000, hp keeps going up well beyond that point.
with equal drivers there is no way a front engine rear drive viper is going to keep up with an awd 911 on the twisties rain or shine, regardless of how fat the rear tire patch is.
with equal drivers there is no way a front engine rear drive viper is going to keep up with an awd 911 on the twisties rain or shine, regardless of how fat the rear tire patch is.
Are you saying the extra horsepower of the 997ttSC doesn't decrease after 10 seconds (and therefore the manufacturer is wrong)? AS