997.1 vs 997.2
#16
I just went through the last 6 months in a painstaking process of finding my perfect one. In the end it was between a 997.1.5 manual cab vs a .2 turbo s cab. Everything else being comparable the same above logic went through my head. In the end, I chose the 997.2 just because I'll drive it more. I feel like because of perceived values, the logical mind would've prevented me from driving it as much. I've driven both and so far, the PDK experience has been everything I expected and more.
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Kevin8tor (01-12-2023)
#17
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...o-cabriolet-4/
Could we see a 200k 997TT today (It's already at $164k w/premium)? Seems the market is pretty strong for this 997.2 manual cab.....I've not seen any .1s move the needle like the manual .2s seem to be doing as of late. I'd put the 997.2 manual at the top of the value heap right now; it's the rarest model, so it makes sense.
Could we see a 200k 997TT today (It's already at $164k w/premium)? Seems the market is pretty strong for this 997.2 manual cab.....I've not seen any .1s move the needle like the manual .2s seem to be doing as of late. I'd put the 997.2 manual at the top of the value heap right now; it's the rarest model, so it makes sense.
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realking (01-14-2023)
#18
I've got a .2 manual and have friends with .1s, I have compared them side by side. They're honestly very similar even with the different motors. The .2 does give me peace of mind in that I don't have to worry about the coolant pinning/welding service and the camshaft spinning. Newer PCM and the updated rear end were the deciding factors for me - but it comes down to budget since you'll be spending significantly more for a .2 (at least for a manual).
Not too worried about mileage or investment for mine, it's my DD at the moment @81k miles lol
Not too worried about mileage or investment for mine, it's my DD at the moment @81k miles lol
#19
I think the sale price of the .2 manual cab at $235K just put the last nail in the .1 vs .2 coffin.
And a cabriolet to boot! (I must admit coupe envy but I would have never been able to get one past my wife whereas the cab reminds her of her VW cabriolet experience thus my green light 5 years ago or so.)
anyway, they all are spectacular cars and you buy what you can afford because the more higher they go the more stress comes with driving them to the grocery or wine store… cheers.
And a cabriolet to boot! (I must admit coupe envy but I would have never been able to get one past my wife whereas the cab reminds her of her VW cabriolet experience thus my green light 5 years ago or so.)
anyway, they all are spectacular cars and you buy what you can afford because the more higher they go the more stress comes with driving them to the grocery or wine store… cheers.
#20
Not to be that guy but how many cars with a Mezger engine were produced?
Lol, sounds like my wife. " You can buy anything you want as long as it's a convertible"
I think the sale price of the .2 manual cab at $235K just put the last nail in the .1 vs .2 coffin.
And a cabriolet to boot! (I must admit coupe envy but I would have never been able to get one past my wife whereas the cab reminds her of her VW cabriolet experience thus my green light 5 years ago or so.)
anyway, they all are spectacular cars and you buy what you can afford because the more higher they go the more stress comes with driving them to the grocery or wine store… cheers.
And a cabriolet to boot! (I must admit coupe envy but I would have never been able to get one past my wife whereas the cab reminds her of her VW cabriolet experience thus my green light 5 years ago or so.)
anyway, they all are spectacular cars and you buy what you can afford because the more higher they go the more stress comes with driving them to the grocery or wine store… cheers.
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cyclrder (01-13-2023)
#23
yup... the point is that it was a manual.
I gotta figure that the purchaser said to himself that I can buy a brand new Turbo for $230K or buy a basically brand new analogue manual turbo for similar $$$s and with that justified the price.
I was thinking about replacing mine just for something to do... but nothing under $300K really would keep me enthralled... maybe an AMG GT black series? Of course any GT2RS would tick the box...
I gotta figure that the purchaser said to himself that I can buy a brand new Turbo for $230K or buy a basically brand new analogue manual turbo for similar $$$s and with that justified the price.
I was thinking about replacing mine just for something to do... but nothing under $300K really would keep me enthralled... maybe an AMG GT black series? Of course any GT2RS would tick the box...
#24
From the comments it looks like the buyer is a collector and a rare low miles great condition last year manual must be hard to come by. The bidding war didn't help. Well sold though and entertaining to watch at the time.
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#26
You've seen a lot more bore scoring on the mezger? Can you point me to some of that please? Would love to read about it and learn more. Here are some for the 997.2tt dfi 9a1 engine, as it's well known:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...e-failure.html
https://jzmporsche.com/news/gen-2-bo...g-smoking-gun/
https://lnengineering.com/products/w...html?limit=all (see 9a1 section)
google for 1000s more. 9a1 is known to get bore scoring, it seems to be rare but devastating. Love to learn more about your mezger scoring references tho.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...e-failure.html
https://jzmporsche.com/news/gen-2-bo...g-smoking-gun/
https://lnengineering.com/products/w...html?limit=all (see 9a1 section)
google for 1000s more. 9a1 is known to get bore scoring, it seems to be rare but devastating. Love to learn more about your mezger scoring references tho.
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jay abrams (01-15-2023)
#27
Don't want to start a new thread, but just to confirm, the engine in the 997.2 TT is the 9A1? Can anyone point me to a thread that discusses the difference between the NA 9A1 and TT 9A1. I just enjoy learning about that stuff. Thanks!
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Iticip (01-28-2023)
#28
Overall .2 will always be better in my opinion whether it is PDK or manual!!! Hence the reason you see .2's are a lot more expensive. If money wasn't an issue, I would go with .2 but that is just my opinion.
#29
Have 1 of each. I’ve had the .2 on the track once (Road America). To me, the .2 feels a bit less connected and more of a GT variant. Just hold on and let it do its thing. Both handle about the same, with the .2 having a slight edge for the refinements mentioned above. The PDK is nothing less than amazing, but could get costly if anything goes wrong. Sometimes I like it over the .1’s MT, other times I like to shift myself. I believe the 9A1 was a nice step forward by Porsche, especially the DFI. No worries about cam pinning or coolant pipe glue joints.
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#30
Have 1 of each. I’ve had the .2 on the track once (Road America). To me, the .2 feels a bit less connected and more of a GT variant. Just hold on and let it do its thing. Both handle about the same, with the .2 having a slight edge for the refinements mentioned above. The PDK is nothing less than amazing, but could get costly if anything goes wrong. Sometimes I like it over the .1’s MT, other times I like to shift myself. I believe the 9A1 was a nice step forward by Porsche, especially the DFI. No worries about cam pinning or coolant pipe glue joints.