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The EP is a quality exhaust system that is unmatched from any conceivable performance metric. Its the best investment and modification you could do to that car. I had one from a competitor that was so protruding out of the rear bottom bumper that i couldn’t live with it. Won’t mention the vendor. Aesthetically, nothing fits like the EP and nothing sounds like the EP. in fact, after hearing one on the car, the other was probably the quickest removal of a component.
Second, the 997.2 Turbo S is a better designed overall package. The engineering in input flow is based on velocity. Look at the 997.1 Turbo intake, it looks huge compared to the 997.2’s system. After the intake it’s tiny compared to the 997.2. It’s just a total departure from the Mezger. Car outperforms on every metric. No comparison other than the body lines.
I personally think the Speedtech sounds better than the Europipe and it makes the same power and is cheaper. Everyone has their favourites.
As for the .1 vs .2 debate, using your logic the 993 Turbo should be worthless. Slower, handles worse etc. They command huge money because of the nostalgia and end of the air cooled era. Mezger engine is another one that is the last of an era.
The more "hardcore" Mezgers were still available in 997.2 GT2/GT3 with manual transmission after 2009 so those vehicles have appreciated greatly as well due to limited production and would truly be the last of the 997 Mezgers.
In the 997 Turbo it's a harder call for last of the Turbo model Mezger (997.1) versus absolute last of the manual model Turbos (997.2); in neither case are they the fastest of the generation (GT2) or best handling (GT3). Even in the Turbo model the 997.2TTS is the most powerful by 30 - 50 BHP over the manual 997 Turbos.
Currently to me it seems that the 997.2 manual TT is holding value better than the manual 997.1TT but that could be because it's a newer vehicle by several years so those vehicles have less mileage on them (and some still qualify for CPO).
The 993 Turbo/Turbo S model is truly an end of era model - last of the air cooled 911s plus more handbuilt assembly so less of a assembly line commodity item which is why the value has appreciated so much for them.
I have a 997.2TT manual but would have been happy with any good condition 997 Turbo manual.
Purchased a low mile 997.1tt 6spd last year. I agree I would have purchased either a .1 or .2 manual with the optons I wanted and price point. I suspect that the Mezger has a higher preceived value by some, while the upgraded interior, suspension has highet value to others.....it's all about personal preferances and priorities.
Personally the driving dynamics and o erall styling of the 997 (in either .1 or .2) are the key aspects of the 997 that makes it desireable.
True, a newer .2 might have a CPO warranty, but Fidelity still offers extended warranties for less $$ per year than a CPO, even on the .1.
I do like the .2 rear facia/bumper better....but it is really a minor difference. Both cars respond well to DSG upgrade or a modest tune, so performance and handling differences are minimized.
Cosmo Kramer. That’s your logic on the 993. I haven’t said anything about the 993. I had one by the way. Also had a 93 964 RS America. Sold all to early in 2011. Never lost any money on any of those two. Excellent cars no argument. The 993 cars were low production cars. The 997.1 Turbo, thousands were built In fact, many more. But....not so sure about all the hype about the 997.1 Turbo values. It’s like looking at real estate comparable values and speculating on the selling price of your home. It’s natural behavior and most often do it. It’s when you put it out and sell. If I would have waited 1.5 years, I would have sold my RS America for over $200k! It had 16k miles on it. I drove my car today, pulls like a freight train!
he seems to have interesting cars. I’ve never met or been to his place but it is worth checking out.
i think it would be worth springing for a .2 car but I’m biased. My iPhone works great on the Bluetooth and pandora will play perfectly through the system plugged into the DIN port with a pigtail. The interiors are fresh and I don’t feel that I am in a almost 10 year old car (mine is a 2010). Everyday life with the small things in the cockpit make a difference.
i just drove up to Limerock track from NYC on 22 and upper Rt7 and purposely got lost on back roads to enjoy the car with the top down. Being crystal clear... a turbo on 40-75mph back roads is loafing....I kinda wish I had more revs to play with and a better sound (I have a full exhaust that will remain nameless, DSC module, GT2 spec wheels with cups.)
Turbos just don’t sound as good as the NAS cars.
i guess what what I am saying is that if you really want to enjoy one of these... it might not have to be a Turbo but maybe a GTS? (I’ve never been in a GT2 or 3 but I suspect they might just be too much for everyday life and sporty canyon or back road runs.
Lastly... full leather dash and carbon brakes will make you very happy
Just get a .1 and upgrade "everything" like I did. Just kidding but there's hardly any car that can beat it. With a built Metzger engine, you can put supercars to shame. Enjoy the latest pictures.
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