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Old 06-24-2019, 09:23 AM
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The EP is a quality exhaust system that is unmatched from any conceivable performance metric. Its the best investment and modification you could do to that car. I had one from a competitor that was so protruding out of the rear bottom bumper that i couldnít live with it. Wonít mention the vendor. Aesthetically, nothing fits like the EP and nothing sounds like the EP. in fact, after hearing one on the car, the other was probably the quickest removal of a component.
Second, the 997.2 Turbo S is a better designed overall package. The engineering in input flow is based on velocity. Look at the 997.1 Turbo intake, it looks huge compared to the 997.2ís system. After the intake itís tiny compared to the 997.2. Itís just a total departure from the Mezger. Car outperforms on every metric. No comparison other than the body lines.
I personally think the Speedtech sounds better than the Europipe and it makes the same power and is cheaper. Everyone has their favourites.

As for the .1 vs .2 debate, using your logic the 993 Turbo should be worthless. Slower, handles worse etc. They command huge money because of the nostalgia and end of the air cooled era. Mezger engine is another one that is the last of an era.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:02 AM
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The more "hardcore" Mezgers were still available in 997.2 GT2/GT3 with manual transmission after 2009 so those vehicles have appreciated greatly as well due to limited production and would truly be the last of the 997 Mezgers.

In the 997 Turbo it's a harder call for last of the Turbo model Mezger (997.1) versus absolute last of the manual model Turbos (997.2); in neither case are they the fastest of the generation (GT2) or best handling (GT3). Even in the Turbo model the 997.2TTS is the most powerful by 30 - 50 BHP over the manual 997 Turbos.

Currently to me it seems that the 997.2 manual TT is holding value better than the manual 997.1TT but that could be because it's a newer vehicle by several years so those vehicles have less mileage on them (and some still qualify for CPO).

The 993 Turbo/Turbo S model is truly an end of era model - last of the air cooled 911s plus more handbuilt assembly so less of a assembly line commodity item which is why the value has appreciated so much for them.

I have a 997.2TT manual but would have been happy with any good condition 997 Turbo manual.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:32 AM
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Purchased a low mile 997.1tt 6spd last year. I agree I would have purchased either a .1 or .2 manual with the optons I wanted and price point. I suspect that the Mezger has a higher preceived value by some, while the upgraded interior, suspension has highet value to others.....it's all about personal preferances and priorities.

Personally the driving dynamics and o erall styling of the 997 (in either .1 or .2) are the key aspects of the 997 that makes it desireable.

True, a newer .2 might have a CPO warranty, but Fidelity still offers extended warranties for less $$ per year than a CPO, even on the .1.

I do like the .2 rear facia/bumper better....but it is really a minor difference. Both cars respond well to DSG upgrade or a modest tune, so performance and handling differences are minimized.
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:44 AM
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I'd sell you my Cobalt .1 6MT with PCCB's and lots of go fast goodies.

But.................... just cant seem to part with it

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Old 06-24-2019, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 997TTEQNY View Post
I'd sell you my Cobalt .1 6MT with PCCB's and lots of go fast goodies.

But.................... just cant seem to part with it


Such a tease. I would absolutely be ready to buy if you were at all interested in selling.
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:58 AM
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How about yellow?

I'd be all over this if I were in the market and it checked out

PS- I have zero affiliation with car/seller

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...Type=spotlight
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:59 AM
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or this.. and its near you

again.. get a PPI and I have no affiliation

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Old 06-24-2019, 12:17 PM
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I wish I didn't hate this brown interior as much as I do.

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Old 06-24-2019, 12:48 PM
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Friend of mine has the Cocco interior on his 997.1 and it looks good, much better than these pics. This is a rare color combo.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:56 PM
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I wish I didn't hate this brown interior as much as I do.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
You dont want that car.. its been for sale by various sellers for +2 years

also some pics of it during its past life partially wrapped. google the vin. some Rennlisters may know more of its past.

I have the gut feeling its been ridden hard and put away wet.

Things that stand-out:

-running Carrera wheels
-what seller wouldnt replace the front lip before selling
-interior is pretty marked up
-Vivid Tune
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Cosmo Kramer. Thatís your logic on the 993. I havenít said anything about the 993. I had one by the way. Also had a 93 964 RS America. Sold all to early in 2011. Never lost any money on any of those two. Excellent cars no argument. The 993 cars were low production cars. The 997.1 Turbo, thousands were built In fact, many more. But....not so sure about all the hype about the 997.1 Turbo values. Itís like looking at real estate comparable values and speculating on the selling price of your home. Itís natural behavior and most often do it. Itís when you put it out and sell. If I would have waited 1.5 years, I would have sold my RS America for over $200k! It had 16k miles on it. I drove my car today, pulls like a freight train!
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:46 PM
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Check this guy out...
https://www.ryanfriedmanmotorcars.com/

he seems to have interesting cars. Iíve never met or been to his place but it is worth checking out.

i think it would be worth springing for a .2 car but Iím biased. My iPhone works great on the Bluetooth and pandora will play perfectly through the system plugged into the DIN port with a pigtail. The interiors are fresh and I donít feel that I am in a almost 10 year old car (mine is a 2010). Everyday life with the small things in the cockpit make a difference.


i just drove up to Limerock track from NYC on 22 and upper Rt7 and purposely got lost on back roads to enjoy the car with the top down. Being crystal clear... a turbo on 40-75mph back roads is loafing....I kinda wish I had more revs to play with and a better sound (I have a full exhaust that will remain nameless, DSC module, GT2 spec wheels with cups.)
Turbos just donít sound as good as the NAS cars.

i guess what what I am saying is that if you really want to enjoy one of these... it might not have to be a Turbo but maybe a GTS? (Iíve never been in a GT2 or 3 but I suspect they might just be too much for everyday life and sporty canyon or back road runs.

Lastly... full leather dash and carbon brakes will make you very happy
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 997TTEQNY View Post

SEXY car Bro!

Enjoy in good health!
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:53 PM
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Whether its a .1 or .2 isn't really the issue. Get a good spec and a good car. Both are EPIC!


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Lastly... full leather dash and carbon brakes will make you very happy

THIS^^^^^^^^^
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:02 PM
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Just get a .1 and upgrade "everything" like I did. Just kidding but there's hardly any car that can beat it. With a built Metzger engine, you can put supercars to shame. Enjoy the latest pictures.
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