from 997.2 GT3 to 991 GT3 RS - regret it?
06-18-2017, 01:25 PM
#31
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I know this is probably kinda weird but I've never met a single 997 GT3 or RS that is faster than my 997.2 Turbo S on the track. And I've seen plenty of them, trust me. This includes the 4.0 RS. I think maybe the manual shifting really slows down the car on a track. I'm talking Street tires only (Cup 2's). Only one time did I meet a fast .2 RS but he was running full Michelin slicks. My home track is 3 miles and 16 turns.
My only mods are sway bars and front spacers.
I used to own a 997.2 GT3, club sport package with full buckets, oem roll bar and harness. I don't miss it at all for some reason. I find it too slow on street and on track. I only miss the engine note.
The 991's are a different breed though. They are seriously fast on track.
So I guess what I'm saying is I would take a 991 RS all day. I care about fast above all. Usually newer = faster.
My only mods are sway bars and front spacers.
I used to own a 997.2 GT3, club sport package with full buckets, oem roll bar and harness. I don't miss it at all for some reason. I find it too slow on street and on track. I only miss the engine note.
The 991's are a different breed though. They are seriously fast on track.
So I guess what I'm saying is I would take a 991 RS all day. I care about fast above all. Usually newer = faster.
06-18-2017, 07:36 PM
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Very interesting thread. I've been lucky never to have fallen for the 'latest, greatest' marketing pitch. I've driven 991gt3, 997.2gt3, and 997.1rs. I prefer my 996.2gt3 with monoball + Motons vs. all of them. I am guessing the verdict would be the same vs 991rs.
With time, I'm less interested in the new, heavier, detached, appliance-like cars as my backroads carvers and increasingly direct my attention to older, lighter, more tactile cars like, say, 70's 911 hotrods. I use a modern 5-series bmw as an appliance.
With time, I'm less interested in the new, heavier, detached, appliance-like cars as my backroads carvers and increasingly direct my attention to older, lighter, more tactile cars like, say, 70's 911 hotrods. I use a modern 5-series bmw as an appliance.
06-18-2017, 09:54 PM
#33
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I do lust after the 991.2 GT3's.
At least at my home track the 991's are just way faster than 997's. Even 991 Carrera 's are damn fast.
06-18-2017, 10:41 PM
#34
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I've done a lot of track days with both 997.2 GT3 and 991.1 RS both on same tyres...991 was generally around 2 seconds quicker per lap on three different tracks ranging from 1:17 - 1:45 second laps, all different types of tracks. 997 much harder to get the lap time out of & harder to setup, 991 just jump in and go, only basic skill level required.
06-19-2017, 02:23 AM
#35
i would only trade my 997.2 gt3 in for an 997.2 rs. i don't really have any interest in the 991 gt3's, probably because i have a 991 turbo s for a fast pdk car. i highly doubt it's going to be a better driving experience than either my 6speed gt3 or pdk turbo.
quite frankly, it is absolutely absurd how fast the new 991 turbo s's are with pdk. as a daily driver, i wouldn't trade it in either, except for the new one. i don't even understand how it's legal that you can just walk into the dealership, sign your name, and drive away in something this fast.
we shall see with the 997.2 manual gt3 though. that's still unknown!
quite frankly, it is absolutely absurd how fast the new 991 turbo s's are with pdk. as a daily driver, i wouldn't trade it in either, except for the new one. i don't even understand how it's legal that you can just walk into the dealership, sign your name, and drive away in something this fast.
we shall see with the 997.2 manual gt3 though. that's still unknown!
06-19-2017, 04:45 AM
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but they are totally different cars
use abacus or excel, one fast one slow, one skilled one push button
wear nike or zegna
i would not even call 991 a cat anymore. more like a fighter jet.
ppl try try to make sense of it
saykng one is easier
one is more involving
whatever
go drive a long hood or SWB. u have zero
idea what involving is until then. 991, 996, 997,993 all feel like super yachts with luxury.
they are all good cars
anf all very different
go drive some
and it will become obvious what YOU want. and sometimes u may want more than one
but they are totally different cars
use abacus or excel, one fast one slow, one skilled one push button
wear nike or zegna
i would not even call 991 a cat anymore. more like a fighter jet.
ppl try try to make sense of it
saykng one is easier
one is more involving
whatever
go drive a long hood or SWB. u have zero
idea what involving is until then. 991, 996, 997,993 all feel like super yachts with luxury.
they are all good cars
anf all very different
go drive some
and it will become obvious what YOU want. and sometimes u may want more than one
06-19-2017, 05:44 PM
#37
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I regret not buying more when the .1RS was sub 100k and .2RS at $120K
06-19-2017, 08:06 PM
#38
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I've done a lot of track days with both 997.2 GT3 and 991.1 RS both on same tyres...991 was generally around 2 seconds quicker per lap on three different tracks ranging from 1:17 - 1:45 second laps, all different types of tracks. 997 much harder to get the lap time out of & harder to setup, 991 just jump in and go, only basic skill level required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuC3YJcfIIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtuzYg2ji88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuC3YJcfIIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtuzYg2ji88
06-19-2017, 08:54 PM
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I was at the Montreal Grand Prix recently and the GT3 Cup was the support race series. They had the 991-1 cars w the Mezger engine and the 991-2 cars with the newest engine. They do sound slightly different, new engine had a deeper tone. But I wouldn't say one was better than the other.
06-20-2017, 10:45 AM
#40
Instructor
It's the same camera actually, mounted in roughly the same spot...The mezger engines and new DFI engines sound very different indeed, I prefer the mezger, sounds much deeper
06-20-2017, 12:45 PM
#41
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start buying now.
b/c before you know it, it's $250k for .1RS....
and dont laugh
inside the cabin WOT, 997 sounds way better
outside the cabin WOT, 991 sounds better. loudner, meaner and when u hear shifting, it sounds like old F1
b/c before you know it, it's $250k for .1RS....
and dont laugh
I was at the Montreal Grand Prix recently and the GT3 Cup was the support race series. They had the 991-1 cars w the Mezger engine and the 991-2 cars with the newest engine. They do sound slightly different, new engine had a deeper tone. But I wouldn't say one was better than the other.
outside the cabin WOT, 991 sounds better. loudner, meaner and when u hear shifting, it sounds like old F1
06-20-2017, 01:55 PM
#42
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And I have to disagree with you regarding the current 991 GT3/RS sound, but to each his own. To me the PDK shifts are very synthetic, precise (too precise!) and computer-like. I wouldn't compare the sound at all to an old F1 car under any circumstances. And I've spent a decent amount of time around the new GT3s, even listened to them a whole morning at PEC not long ago when the drivers were breaking in a couple of new cars and were upshifting and downshifting constantly. Not a pretty sound in my book. Very artificial.
06-22-2017, 05:57 PM
#43
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don't listen to them Larry!!!!
06-24-2017, 02:26 AM
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but they are totally different cars
use abacus or excel, one fast one slow, one skilled one push button
wear nike or zegna
i would not even call 991 a cat anymore. more like a fighter jet.
ppl try try to make sense of it
saykng one is easier
one is more involving
whatever
go drive a long hood or SWB. u have zero
idea what involving is until then. 991, 996, 997,993 all feel like super yachts with luxury.
they are all good cars
anf all very different
go drive some
and it will become obvious what YOU want. and sometimes u may want more than one
but they are totally different cars
use abacus or excel, one fast one slow, one skilled one push button
wear nike or zegna
i would not even call 991 a cat anymore. more like a fighter jet.
ppl try try to make sense of it
saykng one is easier
one is more involving
whatever
go drive a long hood or SWB. u have zero
idea what involving is until then. 991, 996, 997,993 all feel like super yachts with luxury.
they are all good cars
anf all very different
go drive some
and it will become obvious what YOU want. and sometimes u may want more than one
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