Porsche Re-introducing Manual 911 GT3's?
05-22-2015, 09:10 AM
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Porsche Re-introducing Manual 911 GT3's?
I have a very good source who is tight with the Porsche manufacturing community and he claims Porsche is looking to re-introduce manual GT3's? Has anyone else heard this rumor? This would obviously not be great news for those over-paying for 2011 and or 2010 manual GT3's?
Regardless, love the GT3 and GT3 RS as the highest form of 911 driving enjoyment.
Regardless, love the GT3 and GT3 RS as the highest form of 911 driving enjoyment.
05-22-2015, 09:17 AM
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It is going to happen. And yes the bubble on 997 manuals will come to an abrupt end. Glad I sold my 2010 GT3 when I did!!
05-22-2015, 11:18 AM
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Its possible…but just because AP says so, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen.
"Good news for manual gearbox fans, too. While the current 911 GT3 and GT3 RS are dual-clutch PDK paddleshift only, Preuninger suggests future models will offer a conventional three-pedal option."
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...wer-arms-race/
"Good news for manual gearbox fans, too. While the current 911 GT3 and GT3 RS are dual-clutch PDK paddleshift only, Preuninger suggests future models will offer a conventional three-pedal option."
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...wer-arms-race/
Last edited by Finlander; 05-22-2015 at 01:57 PM.
05-22-2015, 11:35 AM
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The dead horse has been beaten Again. And again. And again.....
And again.
And again.
05-22-2015, 12:38 PM
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Once you drive one of these manual GT3s there is no such thing as "overpayment." Just "why didn't I get this sooner?"
I'd like to see what the manual gearbox would be for these new cars. Because the current manual is a repacked PDK box and it shows. Just because a car has 3 pedals doesn't mean it's good.
05-22-2015, 01:02 PM
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I think with the Cayman GT4 Porsche starts a second and cheaper GT line.
If I read read between the lines of all interviews, I can imagine that this Cayman GT series will keep the manual box, not the 911 series.
If I read read between the lines of all interviews, I can imagine that this Cayman GT series will keep the manual box, not the 911 series.
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05-22-2015, 02:38 PM
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For me, and perhaps some others on here, the lack of a manual trans on the 991 version isn't the only reason that the 997 versions are more desirable. It's what the 997's DON'T have...
1.) Size. Bigger isn't necessarily better.
2.) The Panamera-inspired interior. On a GT3?
3.) The 9A1 engine, which lacks top-level motorsports cred. Rolex GX and Continental Tire Challenge GS classes aren't exactly top level, IMO.
4.) Rear wheel steering.
5.) Electric power steering
6.) 20" wheels. Probably needed because of 1.)
7.) More intrusive nannies
I'll omit the connecting rod bolt / engine fire issue because that has become old news. It's sad that some of those cars that had engine replacements now have branded titles. That makes no sense and besmirches the GT3 image.
Please understand that I'm not dissing the 991 version. If that one floats your boat, great. Yes, I have driven one. My point is that it's not all about PDK-only. There is a certain type of Porsche enthusiast that embraces the rawness and "special-ness" of what is marketed as the street version of a motorsports car. The Sport Purpose equipped 911's, the air-cooled RS Porsches, including the 2.7. 3.0 and the 964 and 993 RS versions which weren't offered here thanks to D.C. politicians. The 996 GT3 was as close as we got here. The 997 GT3's were less hardcore but still very involving machines as compared to a normal 997.
With all that said, I also understand marketing and the concept of profit. And I understand that Porsche's target GT3 customer is markedly different than it used to be...kudos to them for understanding what their buyer wants at the price point they are demanding. It's just sad that they refuse to offer a properly sized, decontented version for the Porsche enthusiasts who remember how much fun a lightweight, stripped-down Porsche can be.
The Cayman GT4 is a step in the right direction but why not 400+ HP so it can be taken seriously by the hardcore guys? Because these guys are no longer the target market! The hardcore guys have to buy a GT4 or GT3 or GT3RS and spend $20K or more in upgrades to turn it into what they want/need it to be.
Rant over, hopefully I didn't seriously offend anyone here as I was just expressing a dissenting opinion.
1.) Size. Bigger isn't necessarily better.
2.) The Panamera-inspired interior. On a GT3?
3.) The 9A1 engine, which lacks top-level motorsports cred. Rolex GX and Continental Tire Challenge GS classes aren't exactly top level, IMO.
4.) Rear wheel steering.
5.) Electric power steering
6.) 20" wheels. Probably needed because of 1.)
7.) More intrusive nannies
I'll omit the connecting rod bolt / engine fire issue because that has become old news. It's sad that some of those cars that had engine replacements now have branded titles. That makes no sense and besmirches the GT3 image.
Please understand that I'm not dissing the 991 version. If that one floats your boat, great. Yes, I have driven one. My point is that it's not all about PDK-only. There is a certain type of Porsche enthusiast that embraces the rawness and "special-ness" of what is marketed as the street version of a motorsports car. The Sport Purpose equipped 911's, the air-cooled RS Porsches, including the 2.7. 3.0 and the 964 and 993 RS versions which weren't offered here thanks to D.C. politicians. The 996 GT3 was as close as we got here. The 997 GT3's were less hardcore but still very involving machines as compared to a normal 997.
With all that said, I also understand marketing and the concept of profit. And I understand that Porsche's target GT3 customer is markedly different than it used to be...kudos to them for understanding what their buyer wants at the price point they are demanding. It's just sad that they refuse to offer a properly sized, decontented version for the Porsche enthusiasts who remember how much fun a lightweight, stripped-down Porsche can be.
The Cayman GT4 is a step in the right direction but why not 400+ HP so it can be taken seriously by the hardcore guys? Because these guys are no longer the target market! The hardcore guys have to buy a GT4 or GT3 or GT3RS and spend $20K or more in upgrades to turn it into what they want/need it to be.
Rant over, hopefully I didn't seriously offend anyone here as I was just expressing a dissenting opinion.
Last edited by jackb911; 05-22-2015 at 05:42 PM.
05-22-2015, 02:45 PM
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Jack, I agree 100% with your summary. Nuff said !!! The raw experience that is delivered by the 997 ain't coming back. The 991 is a wider appeal car. And whats up with people lamenting with the price increase of the 997 gen GT3's !!
A couple of 997 GT3 owners who made 30 to 50K on their cars lost over 200K on their homes when they sold in the low .. You win some and you lose some. Not a big deal in the big picture.
A couple of 997 GT3 owners who made 30 to 50K on their cars lost over 200K on their homes when they sold in the low .. You win some and you lose some. Not a big deal in the big picture.
05-22-2015, 05:29 PM
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Agreed. Don't forget the hydraulic steering rack vs the electric rack in 991 GT3 and all future 911's.
The value and mystique associated with the 997 GT3 is much more than just the manual transmission. Those who think otherwise are just missing the plot.
The value and mystique associated with the 997 GT3 is much more than just the manual transmission. Those who think otherwise are just missing the plot.
For me, and perhaps some others on here, the lack of a manual trans on the 991 version isn't the only reason that the 997 versions are more desirable. It's what the 997's DON'T have...
1.) Size. Bigger isn't always better. Pete Stout will probably concur on this.
2.) The Panamera-inspired interior. On a GT3?
3.) The 9A1 engine, which lacks top-level motorsports cred. Rolex GX and Continental Tire Challenge GS classes aren't exactly top level, IMO.
4.) Rear wheel steering.
5.) 20" wheels. Probably needed because of 1.)
I'll omit the connecting rod bolt / engine fire issue because that has become old news. It's sad that some of those cars that had engine replacements now have branded titles. That makes no sense and besmirches the GT3 image.
Please understand that I'm not dissing the 991 version. If that one floats your boat, great. Yes, I have driven one. My point is that it's not all about PDK-only. There is a certain type of Porsche enthusiast that embraces the rawness and "special-ness" of what is marketed as the street version of a motorsports car. The Sport Purpose equipped 911's, the air-cooled RS Porsches, including the 2.7. 3.0 and the 964 and 993 RS versions which weren't offered here thanks to D.C. politicians. The 996 GT3 was as close as we got here. The 997 GT3's were less hardcore but still very involving machines as compared to a normal 997.
With all that said, I also understand marketing and the concept of profit. And I understand that Porsche's target GT3 customer is markedly different than it used to be...kudos to them for understanding what their buyer wants at the price point they are demanding. It's just sad that they refuse to offer a properly sized, decontented version for the Porsche enthusiasts who remember how much fun a lightweight, stripped-down Porsche can be.
The Cayman GT4 is a step in the right direction but why not 400+ HP so it can be taken seriously by the hardcore guys? Because these guys are no longer the target market! The hardcore guys have to buy a GT4 or GT3 or GT3RS and spend $20K or more in upgrades to turn it into what they want/need it to be.
Rant over, hopefully I didn't seriously offend anyone here as I was just expressing a dissenting opinion.
1.) Size. Bigger isn't always better. Pete Stout will probably concur on this.
2.) The Panamera-inspired interior. On a GT3?
3.) The 9A1 engine, which lacks top-level motorsports cred. Rolex GX and Continental Tire Challenge GS classes aren't exactly top level, IMO.
4.) Rear wheel steering.
5.) 20" wheels. Probably needed because of 1.)
I'll omit the connecting rod bolt / engine fire issue because that has become old news. It's sad that some of those cars that had engine replacements now have branded titles. That makes no sense and besmirches the GT3 image.
Please understand that I'm not dissing the 991 version. If that one floats your boat, great. Yes, I have driven one. My point is that it's not all about PDK-only. There is a certain type of Porsche enthusiast that embraces the rawness and "special-ness" of what is marketed as the street version of a motorsports car. The Sport Purpose equipped 911's, the air-cooled RS Porsches, including the 2.7. 3.0 and the 964 and 993 RS versions which weren't offered here thanks to D.C. politicians. The 996 GT3 was as close as we got here. The 997 GT3's were less hardcore but still very involving machines as compared to a normal 997.
With all that said, I also understand marketing and the concept of profit. And I understand that Porsche's target GT3 customer is markedly different than it used to be...kudos to them for understanding what their buyer wants at the price point they are demanding. It's just sad that they refuse to offer a properly sized, decontented version for the Porsche enthusiasts who remember how much fun a lightweight, stripped-down Porsche can be.
The Cayman GT4 is a step in the right direction but why not 400+ HP so it can be taken seriously by the hardcore guys? Because these guys are no longer the target market! The hardcore guys have to buy a GT4 or GT3 or GT3RS and spend $20K or more in upgrades to turn it into what they want/need it to be.
Rant over, hopefully I didn't seriously offend anyone here as I was just expressing a dissenting opinion.
Last edited by RSA_27149; 05-22-2015 at 09:55 PM.
05-23-2015, 12:03 AM
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certain things are gone for good and not just from GT cars or Porsche- motoring and manufacturing.
Reason fuel economy and emissions means you can not have a manual box or hydraulic steering anymore.
Also 5 star crash ratings mean cars have to have a mass or volume to contain the crumple zones and pedestrian impact zones etc
Change is change- just suck it up and enjoy or keep to aircooled if you want the true feel of lightweight and responsive cars
Reason fuel economy and emissions means you can not have a manual box or hydraulic steering anymore.
Also 5 star crash ratings mean cars have to have a mass or volume to contain the crumple zones and pedestrian impact zones etc
Change is change- just suck it up and enjoy or keep to aircooled if you want the true feel of lightweight and responsive cars
