997.1 vs 997.2 price delta?
05-13-2015, 04:11 PM
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I appreciate all the feedback.
Is the difference still $30k today for similar mileage and equipment? For example, if a white .1 w/ 20k miles goes for $85k, would a 2010 w/ same mileage be around $115k?
5-10 years from now would you expect the prices to even closer together. My guess is yes, since there will be a new generation of gt3s by then and the 997 will be 2 gens back.
Is the difference still $30k today for similar mileage and equipment? For example, if a white .1 w/ 20k miles goes for $85k, would a 2010 w/ same mileage be around $115k?
5-10 years from now would you expect the prices to even closer together. My guess is yes, since there will be a new generation of gt3s by then and the 997 will be 2 gens back.
05-13-2015, 04:23 PM
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I have given up on the chances of upgrading my 2007 gt3 for a .2 RS. Just too much money for me to justify for a car I only drive 2000 miles a year.
I considered a 2010 prior to purchasing my 07, but could not justify the $30k delta for a weekend driven gt3 on the street. But now that an RS is not in the cards I am thinking .2 again.
Is the delta still about $30k today? Where do you guys think values will be several years from now? Will they come closer or go the other way? I probably only drive my gt3 at 7/10s at times, is the .2 even worth it or just purely cosmetic?
I considered a 2010 prior to purchasing my 07, but could not justify the $30k delta for a weekend driven gt3 on the street. But now that an RS is not in the cards I am thinking .2 again.
Is the delta still about $30k today? Where do you guys think values will be several years from now? Will they come closer or go the other way? I probably only drive my gt3 at 7/10s at times, is the .2 even worth it or just purely cosmetic?
However, both cars being equal (low mileage, excellent condition, etc.), one being .1 and the other .2, the .2 commands the $30k delta today, and will continue to widen going forward.
Porsches, especially GT breed with sunroof will limit its potential.
05-13-2015, 04:45 PM
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To the OP, IMHO, you are trying to do 2 futile things - trying to figure rational behind a car's worth and trying to predict it's future value. There is no rational reason why a green .1RS is 40k-50k more than other colors. Nor could anyone have predicted it would be so, a few years ago. But yet, it is what it is.
Asking people is not going to go anywhere either, everyone will try and justify their choice as the best.
Buy something at the intersection of what you want and what you can and enjoy it.
Asking people is not going to go anywhere either, everyone will try and justify their choice as the best.
Buy something at the intersection of what you want and what you can and enjoy it.
05-13-2015, 06:03 PM
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I searched for two years, had a budget to work with, and when the right car came along I made a move. I never bought mine thinking of it as an investment (and I am betting most others didn't either) so I don't care about future value that much. I take great care of it, drive it and enjoy it. IMHO Buy what you want to enjoy now, don't wait on the sidelines and dither. The rest is all crystal ball gazing and futile. There are as many opinions out there as there are enthusiasts.
05-14-2015, 11:55 AM
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05-14-2015, 12:24 PM
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2000 miles per year? Well. When I wear mine out...having driven it 2000 miles in the last month on twisty seacoast roads and the like.... I'm calling you for a low miles car!!! Thanks for saving her for me!!!
05-14-2015, 09:31 PM
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Well put. I had pretty much the same thoughts on the wings. Neither the .1 or .2 wings were outstanding for me and I've actually become more of a fan of the .1 wing. The tacky badging on the .2 wing wasn't at all to my taste. I saw centerlocks as a definite problem for me and 5 bolt is so much more user-friendly, and reliable, etc.. Using the car as a highway driver, I also enjoy the sunroof and there's no penalty there for performance for me. You just can't extract all of what either the .1 or .2 is capable of on the street anyways. When I was shopping I found the best car to do what I wanted at a price I could live with ( so glad that was two years ago and not now). Can't see a reason to change to a .2 now,especially with the price differential and the fact that I know what I have in my car with two years of ownership under my belt. IMO a lot of this is about personal taste and budget, with performance differences not being as significant.
05-31-2015, 09:58 PM
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I disagree! Some enthusiasts have >1 opinion! 
Here's my 2c about the 30k price delta based on 2 categories:
A. Is .2 30k better than .1?
B. Will .2 retain value vs .1, meaning will $30k difference between .1 & .2 remain down the road?
A. .2 is not $30k "better" so the people that get the .2, want the .2
B. If actual performance you, as its pilot, will be able to squeeze out of the car is negligible compared to .2, then why would you give away $30k today with hopes and wishes of one day getting it back? Get .1 and don't give away $30k today - no worrying, end of story. Chances are the gap will lessen, not widen.
Here's my 2c about the 30k price delta based on 2 categories:
A. Is .2 30k better than .1?
B. Will .2 retain value vs .1, meaning will $30k difference between .1 & .2 remain down the road?
A. .2 is not $30k "better" so the people that get the .2, want the .2
B. If actual performance you, as its pilot, will be able to squeeze out of the car is negligible compared to .2, then why would you give away $30k today with hopes and wishes of one day getting it back? Get .1 and don't give away $30k today - no worrying, end of story. Chances are the gap will lessen, not widen.
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05-31-2015, 10:43 PM
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There is a whole host of reasons why a 997-2 GT3 currently exchanges hands for $30K more than a 997-1. Is it $30K "better"? The market thinks so. Whether the gap will shrink or widen is anyone's guess and a fool's errand to try and predict it.
Is a 997-1 GT3RS twice as good as a 997-1 GT3? Again, the market appears to think so...
Bottom line is, if you like a 997-2 and can afford a 997-2, then buy a 997-2. Because if you're asking yourself the "is it $30K better" question you already know in your heart that this is the car you want. And if you get the "lesser" car you'll always second-guess yourself whether you made the right call.
Best of luck!
Is a 997-1 GT3RS twice as good as a 997-1 GT3? Again, the market appears to think so...
Bottom line is, if you like a 997-2 and can afford a 997-2, then buy a 997-2. Because if you're asking yourself the "is it $30K better" question you already know in your heart that this is the car you want. And if you get the "lesser" car you'll always second-guess yourself whether you made the right call.
Best of luck!
06-01-2015, 12:02 AM
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Bottom line is, if you like a 997-2 and can afford a 997-2, then buy a 997-2. Because if you're asking yourself the "is it $30K better" question you already know in your heart that this is the car you want. And if you get the "lesser" car you'll always second-guess yourself whether you made the right call.
Although a pumpkin RS would have been fun, sometimes wonder if that would have been a better choice. You know the saying 'grass is always on the other side...'
06-01-2015, 09:40 AM
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In Europe there is practically no price difference between gen1 and gen2 997 GT3 and between gen 1 and gen2 RS, the main reason for price difference is mileage and PTS.
06-01-2015, 03:15 PM
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Unless I overlooked it in this string, no mention of the improved RMS on the .2's. I'm going on 5 years with the original RMS and not so much as a drop of oil has come out. This includes 5 months of winter storage over the past 3 years. You're probably not going to get that kind of longevity out of a .1. This is something to consider as OP mentioned he only wants to drive 2K a year. Lack of use and leaky RMS are correlated. Then again with the $ delta between .2 and .1 that leaves you a lot of room in the budget for future RMS replacements if you don't mind having your motor dropped every few years---something to consider. IMO just pull the trigger on the car that strikes your fancy and drive it the way the engineers intended.
06-01-2015, 05:02 PM
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