audipwr1

I run 100 or 95 on track anyway

Not huge change over to run non slicks its a cup car so suspension adjustable

I just always hear these prices to DE a cup car and it baffles me

Make the comparison apples to apples and I can't see it being materially different, I think inheriant issue is people don't keep it apples to apples (slicks, track side support, actually time out components) and wonder how the price went so high

This is all conjecture as I don't own a cup so I could also just be 100% wrong too

RSRanger

Thanks, that does round it out as to running costs at the track.
Track support is a key factor in that equation.
I'll run a fuel mix (50/50) of 110 leaded and 93 pump (has worked out pretty nice with tuning done but Champion) and that'll add up over a two day event w/ 10 thirty min. sessions.

mooty

I have had two cups
I cannot afford either
I have drug, vinyl, watch, women and other unmentionable habits. I have never burn thru cash faster. we can debate all day. but it's ur money. just buy one and see how long ur bank acct can last. seriously.

and I'm not faint of heart. I buy tires ten set at a time. if u want to run cup correctly start wipe ur nose with Benjamin's.

too many issues to discuss. take me to Michelin restaurant in Vegas. and I'll tell u what u want to know. dinner is 400'per head that's ur cup consultation fee. get used to it. bc they keep adding up.

996FLT6

My fave at Vegas is Joel Robuchon at the MGM Grand. Try the 16 course prefix menu. Expensive but damn it's delish. I'm at awe when they show up with their bread cart!!!! Mike

007DT

Also Race cars are typically driven harder than your standard DE/Tweener.. Subsequently **** breaks and needs replaced more often.. Then you start racing the race car and the expenses go up even more.. (Car gets driven even harder).

^^^ That I feel is where the Cup/Hr figure comes in. Suddenly Tires that are only off .75 sec are now ****. Where as you would've driven them another 2-5 days in DE land..

DrJupeman

This. You can run a Cup just as cheaply as a GT3. Most simply don't because a Cup is overkill for most DE environments which means you see them most often in their native territory: racing. In racing you start spending $$$ to cover tenths of a second, just like the tire example, but also with more frequent engine work because losing 5hp suddenly matters, etc...

etchhead

The real race car should offer better safety features of the full cage as well- which was the other angle at the stripping of my car. I'm not in a position to have two GT3s at the moment (like Mooty's strippers)... but perhaps something without the Porsche heritage and sticker price that still comes with lap times and enhanced safety features.

007DT

M3... I moved from Porsche Race cars to BIMMERS because of operating costs and competitive landscape in different series. I'd love to have a Cayman race car but the entry fee and operating costs don't make up for and potential advantages of running a Cayman Race Car.

M3's have Square tire/wheel set-up. FAST (not GT3 Race car fast. But faster than your street car will get around a track) Cheap (relative) to fix, operate, and very Balanced. If you decide to race they are very, very competitive.

ngng

no question a real race car is safer. I feel far safer in my Miata with a full cage than I do in the porsche with a bolt in half cage

pissedpuppy

90K+.....geez, what did I miss over the past couple weeks???

mooty

i will be there next week. kids already talking about bread cart and dessert cart.

right on. that's why i always say there is no apple to apple comparison b/c u cant. and if u drive a cup like a DE car, you shouldn't be in a cup. some run take offs. i did... guess what. once you use fresh slicks, there aint no going back. it's like putting on condom from last week.. yew....

yes, lap 3-10 of new stickers are like grip of god. you can do no wrong.
then it's just down hill.
and after a while, you crave for that grip.. .you put on new slicks.

oh, tighter gearing, more shifting. more likely to mishift and blow things up. that SHOULD be in your budget.

and due to gearing, you are at redline more often than street GT3. so engine wear out faster.

many ppl shortshift, a concept i do not understand.....
and if you dont short shift, you are at red line A LOT. things wear out.

it is hard to fathom why cup cost more. just go buy one and you will then believe me.

Izzone

Also

If u think u are good at heel toe, try it in a cup...all ur minor mistakes are not tire slip anymore

It is transferred from slicks to the drivetrain and trans

Axles have a short time out, I had one time out at 5 hours( probably defective) .timed out in t1 at Sebring...straight into wall

Bump one into wall...find out what Porsche charges for a replacement bumper on a 996 cup..$7k

There is no street car crash protection...cups just fold up into ball

When I used to track my gt3s i thought the same thing....and I was wrong

My high strung antique with a 25-30 hour engine is over 1/2 the cost of a 996 cup to operate


And we havnt even touched on how sensitive they are to alignment

I still race one...997.2... Just don't own one

DrJupeman

So true!!

This one I don't understand. Cage is great, otherwise the same chassis as the street car.

Team Plutonium

+1000! I use the shop of a racing team (father & son) that have two 991 cup cars, the costs are staggering, and I'm not even adding in the cost of actual cub racing, just maintaining those suckers is insane.

mooty

he means bumper crash bar
radiator dies
front sub frame bent
u are protected
but front clip is easier damaged than street car