ShakeNBake

Had an RMS issue over the weekend and in the process of fixing I figured I would address a 2nd gear synchro issue. From PCNA it looks like a 2nd gear motorsports syncro to replace the brass stock one retails for 1800-1900 (wow!). There has got to be a better option. I've seen mention of Guard selling syncros, but wondering if they are the same thing as the motorsports parts, or something different. I think Rader gets his parts from Guard, so I'd expect it's a quality part - possibly the same - but I figured I'd ask here as well.

Mechanic is dubious as to the quality of a non-PCNA motorsports part.

TIA

NorthVan

There are a few extra pieces that need to be swapped the first time around when going to the steel cup car ones. If you ever have to replace these ones, will be cheaper as the extra parts are already there.

rbahr

I have used the Guards parts in my rebuild - same part... and would rather give them my money...

I had heard that prices were going up, but this is crazy....

Ray

AEsco48

What does a whole transmission cost...?
Sound like you could almost buy the whole thing and part it out! :-/

ShakeNBake

They don't come with these part. Stock transmission has brass synchros for 1 & 2, and normal steel for 3-6. You can upgrade to the motorsports parts for $.

AEsco48

Whats a brass syncro cost?

surlynkid

Change R&P to 4.10 or so and forget about 2nd.

Speeds5

Now why would they use brass for 1st and 2nd and steel for the others?

rbahr

I have seen the used trannies g for $12-$18k depending.

I spent $8-$10k just on parts - 1st,2nd,4th,5th, synchros, bearings, etc.

Brass for 1st gear cuz 'racers don't need no stinkin 1st gear' and for 2nd due to $$

Ray

ShakeNBake

Wouldn't need 2nd except for COTA...

usctrojanGT3

I never used 2nd at COTA and I don't use 2nd at any track. The gear has way too much torque and goes to redline too damn fast. I can get througheven hairpin turns going 35-40mph in 3rd no problem in RS due to the gearing.

ShakeNBake

I've been living without it, but it's worth about 0.5-1sec from the comparisons we've done.

Spyerx

Can you describe this 2nd gear synchro issue? What's going on?

rbahr

There is no 'issue'.

The OEM 2nd gear synchro is made of a brass alloy, and the motorsports version is steel. So if your shifting style uses synchros a lot, in particular 2nd gear, it may wear out faster.

Ray

ShakeNBake

For me it is manifesting as a problem getting into and out of 2nd at full boil at the track. Separate issues with 1st - I've had maybe a one in three chance of not being able to get into 1st at a stop light (turns out to be 1st gear synchro and clutch guide tube).