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07-20-2013, 01:30 AM
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^^yeah that straight line speed is awesome. Really hustling around the track in the corners too...very cool!
07-20-2013, 03:20 AM
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AWESOME DRIVING.
07-20-2013, 03:36 AM
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congrats dez. i knew my doors would take you to the next level ;-)
07-20-2013, 01:13 PM
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Mooty in all honesty, those doors are one of the single biggest improvement that I have made to the car.
The car is fast on the straights, but VIR has a lot of technical sections and some courage check sections. Mike Skeen and James Clay within a few tenths in similarly prepped and powerful cars tells me im within reach. Also only been there once before in 08 for a DE. More seat time at vir and a set of stickers will prove helpful.
Still also just stuck the Pirellis on the car with an A6 setup. Dont know limits of them yet as it was my second session on them ever. Lots of improvement to be made.
The car is fast on the straights, but VIR has a lot of technical sections and some courage check sections. Mike Skeen and James Clay within a few tenths in similarly prepped and powerful cars tells me im within reach. Also only been there once before in 08 for a DE. More seat time at vir and a set of stickers will prove helpful.
Still also just stuck the Pirellis on the car with an A6 setup. Dont know limits of them yet as it was my second session on them ever. Lots of improvement to be made.
07-20-2013, 01:56 PM
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Mooty in all honesty, those doors are one of the single biggest improvement that I have made to the car.
The car is fast on the straights, but VIR has a lot of technical sections and some courage check sections. Mike Skeen and James Clay within a few tenths in similarly prepped and powerful cars tells me im within reach. Also only been there once before in 08 for a DE. More seat time at vir and a set of stickers will prove helpful.
Still also just stuck the Pirellis on the car with an A6 setup. Dont know limits of them yet as it was my second session on them ever. Lots of improvement to be made.
The car is fast on the straights, but VIR has a lot of technical sections and some courage check sections. Mike Skeen and James Clay within a few tenths in similarly prepped and powerful cars tells me im within reach. Also only been there once before in 08 for a DE. More seat time at vir and a set of stickers will prove helpful.
Still also just stuck the Pirellis on the car with an A6 setup. Dont know limits of them yet as it was my second session on them ever. Lots of improvement to be made.
07-20-2013, 02:36 PM
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I'm more impressed with speed through esses, and speed on turns, and you're on the limits everywhere.
What size slicks were you running, strange about rubbing, but Pirelli race tires are cut very wide. I have 255/305 x19, and the 255 is as wide as a 275 Hoosier A6x18. I also have the trofeo 265, and I could only run it for 2 sessions raising the car, because it rubs (Fiat runs a 295 A6 on the same wheels with no rubbing).
For shocks, Lex Carson at MCS, he was the best tech at Moton USA, and he helped me a lot (and many people). Ohlins are great but $$$, and their support is not remotely close to MCS.
Cross/JIC/Tein, these are the same Chinese poor shocks with misleading adjustments, lots of technical info on them, garbage.
Pirelli slicks are brutal, they run similar camber as A6 (in Fiat -3.8 front, -3.2 rear), and they run very low pressures, I start at 18-20psi, with target 26 psi at all corner, and my Fiat is heavier. On the Beetle, with more rear weight (plus aero weight from the wing), you could be a 24 psi front and 28 psi rear hot.
I agree, too many Hoosier slicks blow outs, documented, Hoosier was at Daytona with PBOC 2 years ago to monitor their product, and there were many explosions that weekend.
Are the front steering rods flat? looks like a little bump steer on that axle.
Raising the car messes up handling badly, I did it once with the Trofeo tires to avoid rubbing in the front, and lost 3 secs at Sebring not changing line, driver, or car, just by going up 1" on the front axle to avoid more damage to the fenders.
Considering that UTCC is no limits, and the pure race hardware that shows up, you did awesome.
Congratulations, and thanks for the video.
07-20-2013, 03:33 PM
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rad is on
MCS is way to go
lex there is genius and helpful
Jerome "J" in JRZ is at MCS as well
MCS is way to go
lex there is genius and helpful
Jerome "J" in JRZ is at MCS as well
07-20-2013, 04:22 PM
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Yes, but not on track. Drove up there last year for the NARRA event, drove the opening out lap and car died on the back straight, coasted to pits, dash lit up like christmas tree. Alternator had died, but it was throwing so many codes I wasn't sure, so took a nap and drove back home.
.65 laps at 2/10ths pace completed for 11hrs driving.
A compliment from Rad! Now that is something to be proud of!
Slicks are 265/640/18 front and 325/650 rear. It's only rubbing on one side which is the right rear which has less negative camber than the left rear. I think more negative camber might solve the issue. Otherwise going to a 325/640 or 305/645
My rear camber is super low right around 2.0. Front's are more normal well over 3. It's staggered a bit as the setup is for Road Atlanta which is mostly right handers. Big rear camber does not put power down exiting corners so I keep the rear tires flatter. Plus I'm well under the acceptable geometry range for the stock uprights so it prevents tire explosions. And the 12.5 inch wheels don't allow too much without rubbing spring.
It's a compromise, but it works.
The JIC are custom valved and I've been running variations of them for 7 years. They are as good as anything on smooth surfaces, but struggle when it's bumpy. I know them so well, I feel like I will have to start over with a new setup. And can never make up my mind on the amount of adjustments. Honestly something like the JIC (single adjustable) with great curb manners, would be perfect.
.65 laps at 2/10ths pace completed for 11hrs driving.
Wow!!!
I'm more impressed with speed through esses, and speed on turns, and you're on the limits everywhere.
What size slicks were you running, strange about rubbing, but Pirelli race tires are cut very wide. I have 255/305 x19, and the 255 is as wide as a 275 Hoosier A6x18. I also have the trofeo 265, and I could only run it for 2 sessions raising the car, because it rubs (Fiat runs a 295 A6 on the same wheels with no rubbing).
For shocks, Lex Carson at MCS, he was the best tech at Moton USA, and he helped me a lot (and many people). Ohlins are great but $$$, and their support is not remotely close to MCS.
Cross/JIC/Tein, these are the same Chinese poor shocks with misleading adjustments, lots of technical info on them, garbage.
Pirelli slicks are brutal, they run similar camber as A6 (in Fiat -3.8 front, -3.2 rear), and they run very low pressures, I start at 18-20psi, with target 26 psi at all corner, and my Fiat is heavier. On the Beetle, with more rear weight (plus aero weight from the wing), you could be a 24 psi front and 28 psi rear hot.
I agree, too many Hoosier slicks blow outs, documented, Hoosier was at Daytona with PBOC 2 years ago to monitor their product, and there were many explosions that weekend.
Are the front steering rods flat? looks like a little bump steer on that axle.
Raising the car messes up handling badly, I did it once with the Trofeo tires to avoid rubbing in the front, and lost 3 secs at Sebring not changing line, driver, or car, just by going up 1" on the front axle to avoid more damage to the fenders.
Considering that UTCC is no limits, and the pure race hardware that shows up, you did awesome.
Congratulations, and thanks for the video.
I'm more impressed with speed through esses, and speed on turns, and you're on the limits everywhere.
What size slicks were you running, strange about rubbing, but Pirelli race tires are cut very wide. I have 255/305 x19, and the 255 is as wide as a 275 Hoosier A6x18. I also have the trofeo 265, and I could only run it for 2 sessions raising the car, because it rubs (Fiat runs a 295 A6 on the same wheels with no rubbing).
For shocks, Lex Carson at MCS, he was the best tech at Moton USA, and he helped me a lot (and many people). Ohlins are great but $$$, and their support is not remotely close to MCS.
Cross/JIC/Tein, these are the same Chinese poor shocks with misleading adjustments, lots of technical info on them, garbage.
Pirelli slicks are brutal, they run similar camber as A6 (in Fiat -3.8 front, -3.2 rear), and they run very low pressures, I start at 18-20psi, with target 26 psi at all corner, and my Fiat is heavier. On the Beetle, with more rear weight (plus aero weight from the wing), you could be a 24 psi front and 28 psi rear hot.
I agree, too many Hoosier slicks blow outs, documented, Hoosier was at Daytona with PBOC 2 years ago to monitor their product, and there were many explosions that weekend.
Are the front steering rods flat? looks like a little bump steer on that axle.
Raising the car messes up handling badly, I did it once with the Trofeo tires to avoid rubbing in the front, and lost 3 secs at Sebring not changing line, driver, or car, just by going up 1" on the front axle to avoid more damage to the fenders.
Considering that UTCC is no limits, and the pure race hardware that shows up, you did awesome.
Congratulations, and thanks for the video.
Slicks are 265/640/18 front and 325/650 rear. It's only rubbing on one side which is the right rear which has less negative camber than the left rear. I think more negative camber might solve the issue. Otherwise going to a 325/640 or 305/645
My rear camber is super low right around 2.0. Front's are more normal well over 3. It's staggered a bit as the setup is for Road Atlanta which is mostly right handers. Big rear camber does not put power down exiting corners so I keep the rear tires flatter. Plus I'm well under the acceptable geometry range for the stock uprights so it prevents tire explosions. And the 12.5 inch wheels don't allow too much without rubbing spring.
It's a compromise, but it works.
The JIC are custom valved and I've been running variations of them for 7 years. They are as good as anything on smooth surfaces, but struggle when it's bumpy. I know them so well, I feel like I will have to start over with a new setup. And can never make up my mind on the amount of adjustments. Honestly something like the JIC (single adjustable) with great curb manners, would be perfect.
07-20-2013, 05:05 PM
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I know what you mean, the more adjustments the longer it takes to find that optimal setting. We don't have a race team around us that can do the changes while we rest from driving lol.
That said, don't do 305 on a 12.5 pzero slick. I use 305s, on a 12 inch mind you I only get take offs from used race teams. 305s are stretched on a 12. Not only that, you won't have rear grip.
Mooty can confirm, he was following me at tunderhill a few months back,
And my back end was twitchy, I couldn't get on the power as early as I like.. Maybe my tires were shot? Maybe I need an lsd.
Try more rear camber first, I run 2.6 if I recall correctly.
That said, don't do 305 on a 12.5 pzero slick. I use 305s, on a 12 inch mind you I only get take offs from used race teams. 305s are stretched on a 12. Not only that, you won't have rear grip.
Mooty can confirm, he was following me at tunderhill a few months back,
And my back end was twitchy, I couldn't get on the power as early as I like.. Maybe my tires were shot? Maybe I need an lsd.
Try more rear camber first, I run 2.6 if I recall correctly.
07-20-2013, 10:44 PM
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Thanks Dwane!
The Pirelli engineer at the event said the 305 would be too narrow as well. I'm taking the car back to the shop to see if we can get the 325's to work. Rolling the fenders, maybe pulling them a tad. I have some 12 inch rear wheels that did not rub at Road Atlanta but the matching fronts are an inch narrower.
LSD will help you catch the twitchiness, not stop it. Basically like AWD. New Pirelli's would solve that too..... But $2400 a set.
I know what you mean, the more adjustments the longer it takes to find that optimal setting. We don't have a race team around us that can do the changes while we rest from driving lol.
That said, don't do 305 on a 12.5 pzero slick. I use 305s, on a 12 inch mind you I only get take offs from used race teams. 305s are stretched on a 12. Not only that, you won't have rear grip.
Mooty can confirm, he was following me at tunderhill a few months back,
And my back end was twitchy, I couldn't get on the power as early as I like.. Maybe my tires were shot? Maybe I need an lsd.
Try more rear camber first, I run 2.6 if I recall correctly.
That said, don't do 305 on a 12.5 pzero slick. I use 305s, on a 12 inch mind you I only get take offs from used race teams. 305s are stretched on a 12. Not only that, you won't have rear grip.
Mooty can confirm, he was following me at tunderhill a few months back,
And my back end was twitchy, I couldn't get on the power as early as I like.. Maybe my tires were shot? Maybe I need an lsd.
Try more rear camber first, I run 2.6 if I recall correctly.
LSD will help you catch the twitchiness, not stop it. Basically like AWD. New Pirelli's would solve that too..... But $2400 a set.
07-21-2013, 12:41 AM
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Thanks Peter.
Here is a Video of one of my TT1 competitors. Car is a Gen 3 (I think) Viper built by Archer Racing. Keith is the founder and co-owner of HP tuners and this is the fastest non ACR-X/Comp Coupe there is IMO. His maintained speed through the esses is UNREAL!!!! Car looks super stable.
Keith ran a sticker set of Pirelli's on Sat, and then another set on Sunday when he won with a 1:55.7 vs my 1:55.8. Him and Troy Messer are neck and neck for the TT1 "World Championship" and man is it ever competitive! Going to come down to the very last race at Sebring in Nov.
https://vimeo.com/70409603#at=0
Here is a Video of one of my TT1 competitors. Car is a Gen 3 (I think) Viper built by Archer Racing. Keith is the founder and co-owner of HP tuners and this is the fastest non ACR-X/Comp Coupe there is IMO. His maintained speed through the esses is UNREAL!!!! Car looks super stable.
Keith ran a sticker set of Pirelli's on Sat, and then another set on Sunday when he won with a 1:55.7 vs my 1:55.8. Him and Troy Messer are neck and neck for the TT1 "World Championship" and man is it ever competitive! Going to come down to the very last race at Sebring in Nov.
https://vimeo.com/70409603#at=0