DRPM

good to see these elevated values....at least for the 4.0 owners

M3EvoBR

Even not being a 4.0 owner I love to see them high .... just shows what a lot of people think about the automated new upcoming car line.

NJ-GT

I told Trakcar and JP175 that this car was heading to $300k soon, I didn't expect it to be this soon.

$275k-$325 should be the price range based on the <125 units in U.S., plenty of them already on collectors hands, no more Mezger, no more manual, last RS without crazy gizmos, and last GT3 from a 13 years development over the same engine/transmission and chassis (996 and 997 are almost identical under the skin).

This 4.0RS is more special than a 1973RS, and the 1973 RS in clean conditions is already over the $500 mark (despite of being slower than a Minivan).

Nizer

And the last true street derivative of race car.

azmurciev12

ohhh i'm so glad to have one.

Atlas911TT

Can someone explain why most prefer no front lift and no PCCB on the 4.0?

hf1

It's ironic how the things that make the 4.0RS perfectly trackable are the things that make tracking it imprudent (due to high and rising valuations). Most of the 125 cars will likely become collectors pieces, garage kings, or "investments" with <3k miles on their odos.

EDIT: I notice the offering prices on the whole 04-11 Mezger GT3 spectrum creeping up lately.

DRPM

And I understand there were a mere 12 of the kmh versions sold into Canada....with a MSRP of ~ 20k higher than the USA equivalent.

Time will tell how the values play out btwn now and the arrivals of the 991 '3RS....so far I'm happy to both own and drive one!

Randy M

As a car enthusiast you accept the depreciation otherwise you'd never have anything. But I know that I try to buy smartly and at least limit the hit as much as possible. The Mezger/manual GT3's have a lot going for them which is why the depreciation 'should' be less than typical going forward.

NJ-GT

my opinion...

If you're a collector, a car with PCCB will be hard to maintain in 15-25 years from now (no spares), and adding steel rotors to a car equipped with PCCB makes it lose its originality. A collector would go for the Steel brakes. If you're a enthusiast and will track the car, you will replace the PCCB with steel rotors, so why expend the extra $10k to then remove the upgrade (by adding another $3k to the bill to replace with steel brakes). $13k buys a disposable Daily Driver or track-car.

Axle lift goes against the purity of the car, an enthusiast would go for the most simple configuration, the collector would go for simplicity with added cosmetic touches to make the car more unique (Paint-To-Sample, interior materials, stitching, interior color combinations).

PCCB and Axle lift are ideal for cars driven mostly on the streets, that means adding plenty of miles, I doubt average buyers of $300k cars have this intended use.

Randy M

I see no purpose for PCCB's. Track guys remove them, I hear that they squeak badly on the street, and very expensive. When I was shopping for a GT3 I almost looked at them as a negative, something I'd have to deal with if I were to buy a GT3 w/ PCCB's. When they wear out they're cost prohibitive to replace. So you replace w/ iron rotors. Then your car is no longer original....I see no point in having them.

tripleblack

Valid comments in the thread. Having owned 3 P-cars with PCCB I would do it again for a street car. They are cosmetically superior (no rust, less brake dust) and work well. Mine don't squeal. Lest we forget, on most models, the PCCB options comes with a better brake system in the form of bigger calipers, 6 pistons vs. 4 etc.

NJ-GT raises a good point on collector cars though I frankly can't see a collector ever getting close to wearing out a set of PCCB's on a barely street-driven 4.0. And PCCB's are lighter.

I run steels on the track. If Alcon CCX / MovIts etc ever get within 2.5X the price of high-quality steels I'll swap and be done with cracks, rust, and excessive brake dust.

scott40

I've had 4 cars with CCBs and they do not squeal on the street. As others have said, for street use, they are superior. For track, not so much. You will never wear them out on the street.

GreenLantern

Just curious, as I feel like I'm missing some context here... Why?

dasams

He's speculating that rotors won't be available. As noted above, a collector will never wear them out from moderate street use but there's always the risk of breakage.