PCCBs past their limits (rotors)...what can I expect?
05-01-2013, 10:30 PM
#16
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^ Like Rad & DRL said.
Cost of cast iron replacement: $3k
If the rest of the car checks out and you're $25k off comparables there's probably a value argument. Will they let you do a blackstone oil analysis if you insist? Unlikely a dealer would've invested dollars to flush the oil while the car's on the lot. That puts concerns around an abused engine to rest.
IMO you're looking at the animal from the wrong end if you're too hung up on the brakes. Ceramics or not, that ain't that big a deal vs. engine, tranny, mileage and general condition of the underbody.
Cost of cast iron replacement: $3k
If the rest of the car checks out and you're $25k off comparables there's probably a value argument. Will they let you do a blackstone oil analysis if you insist? Unlikely a dealer would've invested dollars to flush the oil while the car's on the lot. That puts concerns around an abused engine to rest.
IMO you're looking at the animal from the wrong end if you're too hung up on the brakes. Ceramics or not, that ain't that big a deal vs. engine, tranny, mileage and general condition of the underbody.
05-01-2013, 10:37 PM
#17
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Thread Starter
I'd say I'm not too hung up on the brakes in an absolute kind of way, but I'm now hung up on the fact that the rotors are worn out by 58k miles based on feedback from this forum. I'm not hung up on the fact that I have to replace the rotors with *something* since I do feel the price reflects it. Like you said, $3k for steel rotors and I'm on my way. Thanks for your feedback btw.
05-01-2013, 10:49 PM
#18
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Either the rotors are done an the car has been tracked more than 2 days, or not much track and they are actually not so worn. Either way no big deal if the car is otherwise in good shape
05-01-2013, 11:39 PM
#19
Nordschleife Master
I hear you Robert, but this is puzzling me for sure. I'll be chatting with them again but the car checks out wonderfully except for the brakes (so far, still waiting on the final written report including test drive report of clutch, gearbox). They have basically told me it's in terrific shape and is extremely clean.
Keep in mind the price of the car already reflects the brakes being likely bad. Should I still be deathly worried if everything else checks out? It just doesn't appear that anyone is trying to hide anything, and I'm dealing with the original owner too. I would be the second owner.
Keep in mind the price of the car already reflects the brakes being likely bad. Should I still be deathly worried if everything else checks out? It just doesn't appear that anyone is trying to hide anything, and I'm dealing with the original owner too. I would be the second owner.
05-01-2013, 11:52 PM
#20
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Thread Starter
Hey Robert,
The original factory clutch failed, it didn't burn up. Turns out that was fairly common on the early 3.8L cars as confirmed by SharkWerks and Sonnen Porsche. So, the clutch was more of a manufacturing issue, not an indication of extreme use. It was replaced under warranty with another 3.8L factory clutch (not an RS 4.0 unit).
The Sonnen guys says the current clutch feels great and that the transmission shift smoothly with no problems...drive-ability was very good and no indications of any problems there. The car passed the mechanical aspects of the PPI with flying colors, but had several cosmetic issues which they pointed out and I've been made aware of. The seller has provided pictures of everything I requested, and I do have pictures of all 4 brake rotors now which I will attempt to share here.
The original factory clutch failed, it didn't burn up. Turns out that was fairly common on the early 3.8L cars as confirmed by SharkWerks and Sonnen Porsche. So, the clutch was more of a manufacturing issue, not an indication of extreme use. It was replaced under warranty with another 3.8L factory clutch (not an RS 4.0 unit).
The Sonnen guys says the current clutch feels great and that the transmission shift smoothly with no problems...drive-ability was very good and no indications of any problems there. The car passed the mechanical aspects of the PPI with flying colors, but had several cosmetic issues which they pointed out and I've been made aware of. The seller has provided pictures of everything I requested, and I do have pictures of all 4 brake rotors now which I will attempt to share here.
05-02-2013, 12:18 AM
#22
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Steve--
Whoever told you the above rotors are toast has NO EFFIN CLUE what they're talking about. They are in decent shape for 30k+ mileage.
And if you have doubts about it, I'll buy them off you for $3k right now to cover your cost of steel replacement. LOL.
Now the story makes sense--if they are the original rotors since new I don't think this particular car has seen too much track duty.
Hope the rest checks out and you'll be enjoying her soon enough!
Whoever told you the above rotors are toast has NO EFFIN CLUE what they're talking about. They are in decent shape for 30k+ mileage.
And if you have doubts about it, I'll buy them off you for $3k right now to cover your cost of steel replacement. LOL.
Now the story makes sense--if they are the original rotors since new I don't think this particular car has seen too much track duty.
Hope the rest checks out and you'll be enjoying her soon enough!
05-02-2013, 12:50 AM
#23
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Thread Starter
CRex,
I cannot tell you how relieved I am to hear this. I've been going nuts over here. I am confirming the purchase as soon as I run the CarFax as my final validation check. So far the car has come back better than expected all around!
I cannot tell you how relieved I am to hear this. I've been going nuts over here. I am confirming the purchase as soon as I run the CarFax as my final validation check. So far the car has come back better than expected all around!
05-02-2013, 01:16 AM
#24
Race Director
My WAG based on what they look like (insert warning about not judging a book by its cover here....) they look pretty darn good.
Seriously I expected the things to be in tatters.
Seriously I expected the things to be in tatters.
05-02-2013, 01:19 AM
#26
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Thread Starter
Thank you guys. The CarFax just came back squeaky clean as I was told it would. This is a bonafide one owner car with all factory service records, a clean bill of health via PPI today at Sonnen, and a price I just cannot say no to.
I really appreciate your helping me through this. It's a major league purchase for me, and I cannot wait to be reporting that I'm driving it home.
I really appreciate your helping me through this. It's a major league purchase for me, and I cannot wait to be reporting that I'm driving it home.
05-02-2013, 02:02 AM
#29
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1. Did they do a compression/leakdown test on the motor? If the car was potentially tracked hard for most of it's life (based on brake wear), I'd really want those tests done.
2. Why the aversion to replacing with steel rotors? If you're not tracking, not sure of the downside.
3. Are we talking an $80K ish .2 GT3 here with all service records?
4. Did you ask PPI dealer for a complete service/warranty printout to verify #3?
2. Why the aversion to replacing with steel rotors? If you're not tracking, not sure of the downside.
3. Are we talking an $80K ish .2 GT3 here with all service records?
4. Did you ask PPI dealer for a complete service/warranty printout to verify #3?
