Horstair

I agree!! "O" with PCA here in NorCal. Sounds like "left" coast and "right" coast are agreeing on this. Most of the PCA organizations seem to be run by the "senile" age group of our demographics. (Not that the BMW or Audi Club is any better...I've found the independent organizers listen to their customers a lot more.

NorthVan

I have done 4 PCA events, I found that there wasn't enough track time, cut my teeth playing follow the leader with my friends! We still play follow the leader.

Sweeper

this is amazing, i thought most were PCA guys/gals.

Has anyone thought of buying a non-porsche race car? Or does everyone only like track-days (daze)



Funny captions, that someone did. I'm moron on pole at NHMS, took the win with 5 seconds to spare, against it's sister car, and National winner in FC, He still holds the track record for FC (Formula Continental) at Sebring.

Mvez

+1. MOR PCA puts on a good Advanced Only DE at Mid-Ohio ever year.

utkinpol

same here, out of 16 events i did last summer 3 were with PCA clubs and only 1 of them was decent - a WGI event with HVR. private groups are always better, it is simpler to manage your bookings, simpler to arrange to work with coaches, there are no idiotic communications with registars who do not care to respond at all, no need to deal with 'adjustments' of how run grops match or do not match across various PCA clubs... downside is that if you did not get to black yet with PCA and stopped running with them while your skills improved but run group did not it will complicate yout life in the future if you suddenly decide to attend one of available PCA events as they will not let you run in the group you logically belong to. i was told more than once that their run group assigment is not based on your driving but on your 'loyalty' and of how often you attend _their_ events and for me it all just went beyound any limit of tolerance, i do not do PCA for a living, i can only manage scarce days out of my work/family schedule for _my_own_ fun and to deal with all that 'social' BS and people who got way too much free time to do nothing in their life is just too much.

all in all private clubs are generally way less difficult to manage and 'filter' of people who attend them is better, so, you have less issues on the track. plus you mostly get experienced club racers there as instructors and that by itself is a priceless benefit and you do not have to deal with a clasic PCA`s 'there is a line we teach and a different line we all drive' thing.

Sweeper

Hey Paul,

Do you run with SCDA? I used to race with Ian at LRP and instructed for him a few times at NHMS. It's a good time as I remember.

YOu ready for a formula ford yet? Mine will be posted soon, something to think about:-)

I know what you're talking about with the groupings for PCA-de's. I always have to run in the blue group. Whatever that is?

It's scary at times, closing speeds and such.

mhm993

Maybe 40% pca. We do feel some responsibility to give back.

It's tough to beat the 2 plus driving hours in a typical Schattenbaum schedule, and we especially like Niagara, Metro and HVR events. They're all low-drama groups. We definitely vote with our wallets and time when it comes to avoiding some larger regions that are fixated on rules and politics.

Also, Nasa, HOD, Ferrari club, Scda, scca, track daze, chin....Most of them are very respectful of their instructors.

GrantG

I used to do PCA, but now it's 0% (too crowded, too little driving, too many rules). We have Open Track days in Denver (High Plains Raceway) nearly every week and it's a blast - much more fun than PCA, cheap ($81 for 4 hours), and a great diversity of cars (still plenty of Porsches).

Sweeper

That sounds like a blast, every week to boot. Very short money for sure..

It seems most/some got their start with PCA and gravitated to private clubs, some to club racing and I'm sure plenty have gone pro.

Good show!

rmag

I do 90% PCA, but now mostly Club Racing with them. As an instructor I always had plenty of track time between my sessions and taking out others for "instructional" rides

They must have saw the one handed videos

Horstair

Savy moved to Nevada, I think I have to move to Colorado.
Here in NorCal, we pay on average $300+ for LS and SP, only T-Hill is a bit cheaper. And worse, NO open track driving , just that 5x20min session stuff...

brownan

2-3 events with PCA
6-8 events with Audi Club
4-6 events with SCDA (scda1.com)
1-2 with random others (Chin, etc)

A-hole factor somewhat higher at PCA events than others hence relatively few for me.

85Gold

In my 5 years of DE maybe 10 PCA days out of over 100 total. I didn't come through the PCA ranks and except for Nord Stern PCA, awesome group PCA is not on my radar for events unless it is the only option and BMW Club I will just stay home. This nothing against PCA, love the people, except for track time is limited and Passing rules are antiquated unless you are an instructor.

Peter

Sweeper

I know, it's really cheap seat time. LRP 300+ 5x20min sessions suck



You run with Ian's group? Where do you go with SCDA

Tedster

Sounds like there are big differences in PCA regions. The Chicago region has had well run (safe but not to nannyish) events with lots of track time for the 13 years I have been a member. The only event that has sparse DE time is the Road America club race but it is such a blast watching my friends race I don't mind. Having said that I have participaed in Laps events run by Shawn Young and the driving time and average quality of the drivers is excellent and the cost is comparable or lower than PCA.

I instruct as often as I can as a way of giving back to the people and sport I enjoy so much.