Breaking news, this just in: Porsche snatches defeat fromt the jaws of victory
#16
Nordschleife Master
Very sad ... Porsche has lost their way - another SUV over the 550
#18
Rennlist Member
so they just do exactly same thing an every other brand does - they will shut down R&D on sport cars, they will extend consumer oriented lines like '4000lbs family sedans' as that is what people buy.
and they will put same 9a1 engine into all '911' line of cars they sell for street use keeping motorsports devision with cup cars isolated from mass produced cars.
#19
What you said is spot on. It makes the most fiscal sense. I hate this mentality for so many reasons though as Porsche becomes just another car maker. Wiedeking was just the beginning. The problem is that Porsche has an identity crisis. There are still many left within Porsche whom share the passion but VW is at the reins and uses profit and projections as their barometer to steer the brand. This rant of mine has been said by many here already but the more I hear the more I grimace.
Before long Porsche will be just like Wiedeking and his new pizza chain.
Before long Porsche will be just like Wiedeking and his new pizza chain.
#21
Race Director
blah blah...they prioduce what people will spend big bucks for
its not a charity. porsches only purpose, now and forever, is profit maximization. the only difference is the vessel that it comes in
its not a charity. porsches only purpose, now and forever, is profit maximization. the only difference is the vessel that it comes in
#22
Rennlist Member
Maybe for now - their current strategy is for short term profit maximization.
VW is quickly becoming the old General Motors - the one that went bankrupt diluting profitable brands by badge engineering on shared platforms.
VW is quickly becoming the old General Motors - the one that went bankrupt diluting profitable brands by badge engineering on shared platforms.
#23
Rennlist Member
Maybe I'm the only one not phased by this...
If another SUV in the lineup is what it takes to keep pumping out limited production GTx cars, I'm all for it.
If another SUV in the lineup is what it takes to keep pumping out limited production GTx cars, I'm all for it.
#24
Rennlist Member
Wasn't the boxster the successor to the 550? Actually it's too bad the prototype of the boxster looked great- too bad it didn't come out that way. Mike
#26
Race Director
you can whine about it all you want, it won't change.
#27
Rennlist Member
GT2/GT3 numbers are probably about 10% of 911s if that.... and the number of GT2/GT3s that are tracked are even less than that....
I'm sure VW looked at the numbers before making their decision...
#28
Race Director
One month's figures don't give a very useful picture of sales volume, but your point is still probably valid.
#30
Rennlist Member
But we are obviously quite far down a different road now. During those 16 years, Porsche had established itself as the most profitable car maker - so there was no longer the threat of bankruptcy and takeover due to product line and manufacturing (obviously their non-automotive activities were another issue). Yet the future is nothing but exploitation with mainstream models on shared VW platforms - the upcoming mid-engined car will be based on the R8/Gallardo, the next Panamera based on the Continental/A8/Phaeton, the Macan based on the Q5 (which is based on the A4), the smaller sedan will be VW/Audi-based as well, and of course the Touareg/Q7/Cayenne/Bentley SUV/(and Lambo SUV?). Again, straight out of the GM and Ford playbook from the last century.
The 981/991 and 918 were developed before the VW takeover. Do you really think the next generation of those models will be untouched by the VW brand?