Pagid RS 29 to PFC 08
10-18-2012, 01:16 PM
#16
Rennlist Member
well, i spoke with enough people who race and use both pfc and pagids and that is what I was told so far. pfc is more agressive to rotors and generates more heat, RS29 is less damaging to rotors, creates less heat but requires more pressure on the pedal compared to pfc.
10-18-2012, 01:20 PM
#17
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OK, maybe it is a bit harder on the rotors, but rotors cost the same as pads or less, so even if so, moot point but I got the same days out of the rotors.
More power for modulation? I put the pedal to the floor and the car does not slow down or gets even near ABS... This is pad fade and they do it every time when PFC never does. I have seen no one switch back from PFC to a Pagid.
This is only the 30 or so GT3's we run with in the southeast so heat might be the difference..
More power for modulation? I put the pedal to the floor and the car does not slow down or gets even near ABS... This is pad fade and they do it every time when PFC never does. I have seen no one switch back from PFC to a Pagid.
This is only the 30 or so GT3's we run with in the southeast so heat might be the difference..
10-18-2012, 01:22 PM
#18
OK, maybe it is a bit harder on the rotors, but rotors cost the same as pads or less, so even if so, moot point but I got the same days out of the rotors.
More power for modulation? I put the pedal to the floor and the car does not slow down or gets even near ABS... This is pad fade and they do it every time when PFC never does. I have seen no one switch back from PFC to a Pagid.
This is only the 30 or so GT3's we run with in the southeast so heat might be the difference..
More power for modulation? I put the pedal to the floor and the car does not slow down or gets even near ABS... This is pad fade and they do it every time when PFC never does. I have seen no one switch back from PFC to a Pagid.
This is only the 30 or so GT3's we run with in the southeast so heat might be the difference..
10-18-2012, 01:24 PM
#19
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one guy i spoke to runs 997 cup car and on his car rs29 does not fade, so, i find it odd if it fades on a street gt3.
if you eat up rotors in the middle of the race it is no matter how much they do cost... and i do not argue for DE PFC is 'better' as we never have such long sessions anyway and, well, rotors are indeed replacable.
i just do not see how RS29 can fade at a regular DE, it is technically impossible due to pads max operating temperature.
as of cracks - i use pagids all season, my rotors do not have any cracks, a guy who runs with me uses PFC, he runs slower lap times than I do but his front rotors are all cracked up now - we both replaced them in the beginning of the season. so, whatever his PFC06 does to his rotors RS29 pads do not do to mine and it works fine for me so far.
if you need more pressure in brake lines or a better pedal feel, whatever what that pressure is - put on dual master cylinder from cup car. it helps. or try a car with it installed first to see if you like it.
if you eat up rotors in the middle of the race it is no matter how much they do cost... and i do not argue for DE PFC is 'better' as we never have such long sessions anyway and, well, rotors are indeed replacable.
i just do not see how RS29 can fade at a regular DE, it is technically impossible due to pads max operating temperature.
as of cracks - i use pagids all season, my rotors do not have any cracks, a guy who runs with me uses PFC, he runs slower lap times than I do but his front rotors are all cracked up now - we both replaced them in the beginning of the season. so, whatever his PFC06 does to his rotors RS29 pads do not do to mine and it works fine for me so far.
if you need more pressure in brake lines or a better pedal feel, whatever what that pressure is - put on dual master cylinder from cup car. it helps. or try a car with it installed first to see if you like it.
10-18-2012, 01:24 PM
#20
Drifting
Thread Starter
PFC08's are ordered....thanks for all your valued input guys.
I'll look forward to trying them out in May '13 as our season is over here in Quebec.
Note: Clarke at Apex corrected me on the Part Numbers.
0991.08.17.44 front (not 45)
1299 08.18.44 rear
Derek
I'll look forward to trying them out in May '13 as our season is over here in Quebec.
Note: Clarke at Apex corrected me on the Part Numbers.
0991.08.17.44 front (not 45)
1299 08.18.44 rear
Derek
10-18-2012, 01:54 PM
#23
Race Director
Pagid works great the 1st day for me but it's those other days where it changes and does not feel as good that gets me. PFC08 does not change in feel like the Pagid does. It think this is the greatest advantage for PFC and guys like us that do multipul DE events on 1 set of pads.
With Pagids it's like they are a good long endurance pad for 1 race 1 time use...they work well for that....after that 1 all day race or DE and you go to use them in a few weeks they are not the same and feel a lot worse.
With Pagids it's like they are a good long endurance pad for 1 race 1 time use...they work well for that....after that 1 all day race or DE and you go to use them in a few weeks they are not the same and feel a lot worse.
10-18-2012, 01:57 PM
#24
Race Director
RS29 are eduro grade compound, it cannot fade, it is impossible. they do not bite in as hard as PFC but PFC do heat up rotors more and you`ll get cracks on rotors faster. that is why RS29 is preferable if you have fast tracks with a lot of braking (less heat to dissipate compared to PFC) and run long sessions (do not eat rotors as fast as PFC).
rs29 requies more pedal pressure compared to PFC but those pads do not fade.
rs29 requies more pedal pressure compared to PFC but those pads do not fade.
10-18-2012, 02:07 PM
#25
Drifting
Thread Starter
10-18-2012, 02:12 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
Even without dealing with pads at 50% life the PFC control and release are better in my mind than the Pagid. PFC08s have great initial bite but not harsh enough to trigger the ABS. As the heat gets into the pad it really starts to work and modulation of the pedal is easier. The release is a nice smooth release allowing easy trail braking that won't overload the front end of the car or upset the back end. THis is the same on the pad from Day 1 to the end of the product.
10-18-2012, 02:19 PM
#27
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good to know.i just looked at apex site - for my car they only have 08 compound for fronts and not for rears. and they do not have 97 for my rears neither, just 01 or 06. maybe by spring it will change, as of now it renders it out for me.
10-18-2012, 02:59 PM
#28
Race Director
well, it is time for me to try them out then. good to know.
i just looked at apex site - for my car they only have 08 compound for fronts and not for rears. and they do not have 97 for my rears neither, just 01 or 06. maybe by spring it will change, as of now it renders it out for me.
good to know.i just looked at apex site - for my car they only have 08 compound for fronts and not for rears. and they do not have 97 for my rears neither, just 01 or 06. maybe by spring it will change, as of now it renders it out for me.
10-18-2012, 03:37 PM
#30
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as of cracks - i use pagids all season, my rotors do not have any cracks, a guy who runs with me uses PFC, he runs slower lap times than I do but his front rotors are all cracked up now - we both replaced them in the beginning of the season. so, whatever his PFC06 does to his rotors RS29 pads do not do to mine and it works fine for me so far.
I will even explain further why I don't understand. Every car that I see reach speeds similar to a Porsche on track will slightly crack its rotors in a simple DE session. The heat from the friction of any pad on the rotor causes small cracks to form in the metal. These are not bad cracks either. It is simply the way metal responds to the temperatures reached under extreme braking. My GT3 RS with stock pads will slightly do this even after hard street driving. This is why I am perplexed at the reason behind the statement of Pagids will not crack your rotors but PFC will.