Mike in CA

Did your rumour source have anything to say about when or output from the 3.8?

wanna911

If the 991 comes out with PDK only, the 3.8 and 4.0 GT3's and RS's will have some good strong value for a while.

I'm sorry but a car with PASM, PSM,PTV, PDCC and PDK is NOT a GT3 to me. Especially with a motor that's pretty much a slightly upgraded version of the regular Carrera.

They should call it a Carrera plus or something.

Mike in CA

All Porsches have PSM and per the ordering guide, PASM was already standard on both the 2010-11 GT3 and RS so I guess you'll have to rule those out; the other new stuff will presumably be optional on the 991 GT's . We'll have to wait and see about PDK. Do you have a link to the stats on the "slightly upgraded version" of the motor? There's been a lot of speculation about it and I'd be very interested to get some concrete info.....

mobonic

so looks like the days of race engines and trans in GT3's are over.

Your 991+ GT3 will have the same motor and trans as a carrera (997.2 turbo already ditched the GT1 engine for a DFI).. well hopefully the replacement parts will be cheaper ?

I see 997 GT3 values rising!

TRAKCAR

Yup.

triode

Indeed. If we've seen the last of the true dry sump, 8500 RPM engines, it will be our loss (and Porsche's).

911SLOW

Agreed. And this is not necessarily a bad thing. The current 7-speed might be "not compatible with racing" (polite) but, if they decide to race the PDK, there is hope that some decent parts from the racing version, will be interchangeable with the PDK/manual hybrid.
Big assumption but I am trying to stay optimistic..



Now about the motor, at this point, I don't care where it's based on. The important thing is to have a racing motor as a basis for the street GT3 one. Anything else and we can start mourning and paying condolences.





PS. It's Pavlovian, I know, but I can't help it..I have to post this in every 991 GT3 thread. The playstation steering has to go.

Mike in CA

Maybe so, although I sure wish I was plugged into your info source on what the new engine will be like. Since Porsche must homologate what they plan to race, and since the days of building "race engines" for their GT3 series street cars are over, when do you think they will be abandoning GT class in ALMS and elsewhere?

fc-racer

Hi Mike, no additional information was provided except that he was surprised it wasn't going to be a 4.0. Not sure why he was surprised as we all know Porsche does small evolutionary changes each year.

Mike in CA

Thanks, fc-racer.

utkinpol

cup cars aren't going anywhere.

911rox

Yep, it would seem that street legal 'race cars' will be a thing of the past but sadly, I'd say apart from those well informed on this forum who visit a track, most won't even notice... I think a huge number of GT cars end up in the hands of ignorant people who don't appreciate what they've paid for under the rear decklid but rather want to be seen in something loud and 'different'... These people would outnumber the core GT fan base here who appreciate the true pedigree of the cars we drive and they'd outnumber us by a mile. Frankly if you put a boxster engine in a GT body they'd probably pay top dollar for that too.. The bean counters know this!

This ignorance of what we're truely losing will ensure that the 997 will depreciate as all other before it IMHO....

I have no issue with change as long as Porsche follow the same philosophy as in the past. I would again happily part with my hard earned when they've earned my trust by campaigning a new breed of engine/trans on the track, succeeded and put it into a GT car I can buy.... To me a GT car is just that, a street legal, race car....

AGO

+1, probably as close to a race car that can be driven on the streets... so good !

wanna911

+2 great post.

Enthusiasts far outnumbered by people who just have the means to buy and think it goes good with their occupation/perception.

GuyR

That's much more a USA market feature though. In Europe many sedans are ordered with manual gearboxes. Just checking on Autotrader UK and 1/2 of all 3 series are manuals up to 1 year-old and 1/4 of all 5-series are manuals.

The converse argument is made by Ferrari who offered the California with a manual gearbox as well as PDK. They have only ever sold 2 cars with manual gearboxes globally!

I think the GT3 will be offered with both gearboxes since they are the same size. The purists will decry the PDK option, but it will be faster on track and post better 'ring times (for PR) and lots of people will buy them.