Spy Shots of the 991 GT3
#31
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Has anyone driven a manual 991? I did last Thursday and wasn't impressed. I have driven both the PDK and manual 991's now and I have to say that if they are representative of the GT3 transmission choices, the PDK will be a better choice.
It was the weirdest manual I think I have ever driven. In every manual I have ever driven, be it a truck or a 69 bug or a 4.0rs, you can feel the cog engagement though the stick. In the 991, there is zero feel in the manual. It felt so disconnected through the gear stick, I would describe it best as a gear selector switch, not a gear stick.
I am also confident some of the PDK electronics are still there because no matter if I was shifting up or down, he car seemed to know and it seemed to be always the perfect gear to be in. After 40 minutes of driving it, it never had a bad shift and 'welcomed' each gear, almost like I didn't really select it.
The only thing I did like was the new lower seating position and the higher center console made the relationship between the steering wheel and gear shift significantly better, with a small reach off the wheel to the stick.
I think my next GT3 will be PDK.
It was the weirdest manual I think I have ever driven. In every manual I have ever driven, be it a truck or a 69 bug or a 4.0rs, you can feel the cog engagement though the stick. In the 991, there is zero feel in the manual. It felt so disconnected through the gear stick, I would describe it best as a gear selector switch, not a gear stick.
I am also confident some of the PDK electronics are still there because no matter if I was shifting up or down, he car seemed to know and it seemed to be always the perfect gear to be in. After 40 minutes of driving it, it never had a bad shift and 'welcomed' each gear, almost like I didn't really select it.
The only thing I did like was the new lower seating position and the higher center console made the relationship between the steering wheel and gear shift significantly better, with a small reach off the wheel to the stick.
I think my next GT3 will be PDK.
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#32
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Flat 8 - hmmmm seeing as they've reached the displacement limit (4.0) for this current engine block, moving to a bigger block makes sense.
How much weight would adding the 2 extra cylinders add? Would it be based on the old 908 series? - probably not since it was only 2 valves/cylinder.
How much weight would adding the 2 extra cylinders add? Would it be based on the old 908 series? - probably not since it was only 2 valves/cylinder.
#33
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#34
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i love stick, but to say there's no PDK i think is foolish. manual is old. M cars and F cars are all there already....
and if it's 7 speed, i wont do manual. why not just drive a semi truck with 18 speed. who in their right mind would drive a 7 speed manual? i much rather just play with my own stick.
and if it's 7 speed, i wont do manual. why not just drive a semi truck with 18 speed. who in their right mind would drive a 7 speed manual? i much rather just play with my own stick.
I agree though. Patrick Long's new GT3 RSR is paddle shift (sequential box), so why not make the new 991 GT3 paddle shift (PDK) as well?
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#37
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I had no issue with the 'weighting' of the gearshift, light or heavy is fine with me. It's that, you never felt it engage a gear. The lever just reached it limit in travel so you assumed you made the gear change. I think your right 911slow, its the mechanism on top of the PDK where it's being lost. It was enough for me to say, it's not a manual worth it driving to be honest. I had driven and exact same spec PDK a week earlier and was impressed in how engaging the transmission was. The manual just felt like an afterthought.
As to my next GT3, there's always room for one more!
As to my next GT3, there's always room for one more!
#38
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I had no issue with the 'weighting' of the gearshift, light or heavy is fine with me. It's that, you never felt it engage a gear. The lever just reached it limit in travel so you assumed you made the gear change. I think your right 911slow, its the mechanism on top of the PDK where it's being lost. It was enough for me to say, it's not a manual worth it driving to be honest. I had driven and exact same spec PDK a week earlier and was impressed in how engaging the transmission was. The manual just felt like an afterthought.
As to my next GT3, there's always room for one more!
As to my next GT3, there's always room for one more!
Will be interested to see if your perception of the manual 991's gear lever "engagement" is shared by most people, and one more (cunning) nail in the coffin of the manual transmission.
pete
#39
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go checkout MJones's observations on the 991S in that forum ... I think the 'ladies' over there are not happy with him!
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/6926...ds-review.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/6926...ds-review.html
#40
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there isn't a week that goes by that I am not thankful that international diplomacy is not conducted via e-mail (with the exception of the diplomatic cables & wikileaks ) .. if is was ... we'd all be sitting in the rubble wondering what that big flash and bang just was!
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#43
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I'm not understanding these 20" tires at all...doesn't seem performance driven. Wonder what Porsche will put on the 991GT3 cars?
#44
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the list of questionmarks about this model grows longer by the day ...
I'm glad I have one of the last of the real GT3's