997.1 GT3 Track Rental
04-01-2012 | 02:14 PM
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3k a day? It doesn't cost anywhere near that to run DE for a weekend.
So you are telling me guys like Peter assuming about 30-40 days a year are spending 90-120k a year to track their car. I don't believe that. R6 will last to 20+ HC (or 3 events) if you store them properly between events and have a good alignment. Brake pads are spendy but even a new set a weekend will set you back $450 but lets say $250 for gas, $500 for insurance, good brake fluid (SRF) is good for AT LEAST half a season if not a full one. Get an alignment every 3 events.
And we probably are talking beginner to intermediate level drivers who will use less of everything (except maybe brake pads).
Hoosiers $1600 / 3 events = $533.
Brake Pads $450 / 2 events = $225
Rotors $600 / 3 events = $200
Gas $250
Insurance $500 (from what I've seen for a weekend)
Alignment $400 / 3 events = $133
Oil Change $200 / 3 events = $66
A little over $1800 is my guesstimate for a whole event. And consistent with my expenditures (aside from mods, LOL).
So you are telling me guys like Peter assuming about 30-40 days a year are spending 90-120k a year to track their car. I don't believe that. R6 will last to 20+ HC (or 3 events) if you store them properly between events and have a good alignment. Brake pads are spendy but even a new set a weekend will set you back $450 but lets say $250 for gas, $500 for insurance, good brake fluid (SRF) is good for AT LEAST half a season if not a full one. Get an alignment every 3 events.
And we probably are talking beginner to intermediate level drivers who will use less of everything (except maybe brake pads).
Hoosiers $1600 / 3 events = $533.
Brake Pads $450 / 2 events = $225
Rotors $600 / 3 events = $200
Gas $250
Insurance $500 (from what I've seen for a weekend)
Alignment $400 / 3 events = $133
Oil Change $200 / 3 events = $66
A little over $1800 is my guesstimate for a whole event. And consistent with my expenditures (aside from mods, LOL).
04-01-2012 | 10:58 PM
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3k a day? It doesn't cost anywhere near that to run DE for a weekend.
So you are telling me guys like Peter assuming about 30-40 days a year are spending 90-120k a year to track their car. I don't believe that. R6 will last to 20+ HC (or 3 events) if you store them properly between events and have a good alignment. Brake pads are spendy but even a new set a weekend will set you back $450 but lets say $250 for gas, $500 for insurance, good brake fluid (SRF) is good for AT LEAST half a season if not a full one. Get an alignment every 3 events.
And we probably are talking beginner to intermediate level drivers who will use less of everything (except maybe brake pads).
Hoosiers $1600 / 3 events = $533.
Brake Pads $450 / 2 events = $225
Rotors $600 / 3 events = $200
Gas $250
Insurance $500 (from what I've seen for a weekend)
Alignment $400 / 3 events = $133
Oil Change $200 / 3 events = $66
A little over $1800 is my guesstimate for a whole event. And consistent with my expenditures (aside from mods, LOL).
So you are telling me guys like Peter assuming about 30-40 days a year are spending 90-120k a year to track their car. I don't believe that. R6 will last to 20+ HC (or 3 events) if you store them properly between events and have a good alignment. Brake pads are spendy but even a new set a weekend will set you back $450 but lets say $250 for gas, $500 for insurance, good brake fluid (SRF) is good for AT LEAST half a season if not a full one. Get an alignment every 3 events.
And we probably are talking beginner to intermediate level drivers who will use less of everything (except maybe brake pads).
Hoosiers $1600 / 3 events = $533.
Brake Pads $450 / 2 events = $225
Rotors $600 / 3 events = $200
Gas $250
Insurance $500 (from what I've seen for a weekend)
Alignment $400 / 3 events = $133
Oil Change $200 / 3 events = $66
A little over $1800 is my guesstimate for a whole event. And consistent with my expenditures (aside from mods, LOL).
Where is the 150k depreciation and amortization cost?
Where is the PROFIT that the provider must make to stay in business?
Where is the "real" maintenance vs consumables?
Where is the transportation to the track?
Where is the liability insurance?
Come on guys, something like this has to cost $5k a day for it to make any sense...
04-02-2012 | 02:11 AM
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3k a day? It doesn't cost anywhere near that to run DE for a weekend.
So you are telling me guys like Peter assuming about 30-40 days a year are spending 90-120k a year to track their car. I don't believe that. R6 will last to 20+ HC (or 3 events) if you store them properly between events and have a good alignment. Brake pads are spendy but even a new set a weekend will set you back $450 but lets say $250 for gas, $500 for insurance, good brake fluid (SRF) is good for AT LEAST half a season if not a full one. Get an alignment every 3 events.
And we probably are talking beginner to intermediate level drivers who will use less of everything (except maybe brake pads).
Hoosiers $1600 / 3 events = $533.
Brake Pads $450 / 2 events = $225
Rotors $600 / 3 events = $200
Gas $250
Insurance $500 (from what I've seen for a weekend)
Alignment $400 / 3 events = $133
Oil Change $200 / 3 events = $66
A little over $1800 is my guesstimate for a whole event. And consistent with my expenditures (aside from mods, LOL).
So you are telling me guys like Peter assuming about 30-40 days a year are spending 90-120k a year to track their car. I don't believe that. R6 will last to 20+ HC (or 3 events) if you store them properly between events and have a good alignment. Brake pads are spendy but even a new set a weekend will set you back $450 but lets say $250 for gas, $500 for insurance, good brake fluid (SRF) is good for AT LEAST half a season if not a full one. Get an alignment every 3 events.
And we probably are talking beginner to intermediate level drivers who will use less of everything (except maybe brake pads).
Hoosiers $1600 / 3 events = $533.
Brake Pads $450 / 2 events = $225
Rotors $600 / 3 events = $200
Gas $250
Insurance $500 (from what I've seen for a weekend)
Alignment $400 / 3 events = $133
Oil Change $200 / 3 events = $66
A little over $1800 is my guesstimate for a whole event. And consistent with my expenditures (aside from mods, LOL).
also, OP presumably wants to make some profit.
that said:
hoosiers last 60+HC, i have done it and i also won a race last year with 20 HC hoosier slicks. but it was very hard to control the car. if you are fast, R6 is great for 3 HC tops, HC 4-6 is good, after that, it's just regular tire. if i am renting a car, i want fresh hoosiers every day.
pagid yellows are not $450/set, it's more than that.
i dont know how others do it. but i need alignment after every event. i bounce off curb to curb.
and you have to amortize for engine and tranny replacement cost.
04-02-2012 | 03:31 AM
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To run a 997 GT car or similar costs about $1,000 per day and that does not include the cost of the car or the amortization of of engine and tranny.
If you race on slicks, the cost will be around $3k-$4k per weekend all in from door to door.
A set of slicks alone cost $1800+ and those last 1 weekend at most when racing for 1st place.
This is a PAY to play sport, and when you add a P car into the mix..even more so.
If you race on slicks, the cost will be around $3k-$4k per weekend all in from door to door.
A set of slicks alone cost $1800+ and those last 1 weekend at most when racing for 1st place.
This is a PAY to play sport, and when you add a P car into the mix..even more so.
04-02-2012 | 05:28 AM
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So you subscribe to Obamanomics right?
Where is the 150k depreciation and amortization cost?
Where is the PROFIT that the provider must make to stay in business?
Where is the "real" maintenance vs consumables?
Where is the transportation to the track?
Where is the liability insurance?
Come on guys, something like this has to cost $5k a day for it to make any sense...
Where is the 150k depreciation and amortization cost?
Where is the PROFIT that the provider must make to stay in business?
Where is the "real" maintenance vs consumables?
Where is the transportation to the track?
Where is the liability insurance?
Come on guys, something like this has to cost $5k a day for it to make any sense...
150k for a 997.1 GT3? In today's market? What are you smoking? Or did you bother to read the first post? Not only that, but if you think you are going to make a successful business with 1 GT3, you are still smoking. I didn't take the post seriously for that reason alone.
I was just responding to the post that you needed to clear 3k just to break even and stating the ACTUAL costs to run for a weekend, who said I would charge what it cost me to run a business? READ!
I would expect a GT3 to run for 3-5k for a day in europe, I mean what's the exchange rate now $1 = .00000005 Euros.
Mooty, I disagree on the speed of the hoosiers. And yeah, if you're willing to pay a surcharge for fresh hoosiers every day, then yeah, but that is not going to be included for a DE anywhere.
04-02-2012 | 09:55 PM
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Seriously, what would someone pay for daily DE rental for a white 997.1 GT3 that is setup with a half cage, harness, racing seat to fit, selectable R6's or R888's for the day, a good alignment and including consumables such as brakes, tires and fuel? The car would be equipped with a traqmate for data provided to the customer and in car video for the customers enjoyment as well as a bit of security to the owner of the car for any mishaps. Transport to the track within the scope would also be provided but this cost would be separate or course. All feedback is appreciated. Thanks
04-02-2012 | 10:24 PM
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And to the point made by several, my 996 GT3 costs me about $1100/DE-day "all in" (track time, consummables, gas, etc.)
04-02-2012 | 11:00 PM
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When TRG had a facility at NJMP they would do a Continental Tire prepped car for around $1500 for a day and a cup car for around $3k. Renter had to pay for fuel, insurance, and a pro driver and or instructor before they let you out in the cup unless you had the proper credentials....typically a Grand Am license or equal. The insurance and instructor ran another $500 plus and that was only for morning instruction.
You can do an arrive and drive spec miata race weekend for around $8k all in so I have been told.
You can do an arrive and drive spec miata race weekend for around $8k all in so I have been told.
04-03-2012 | 02:22 AM
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Sure I do, while you must be in the Scott Tucker brand of business right?
150k for a 997.1 GT3? In today's market? What are you smoking? Or did you bother to read the first post? Not only that, but if you think you are going to make a successful business with 1 GT3, you are still smoking. I didn't take the post seriously for that reason alone.
I was just responding to the post that you needed to clear 3k just to break even and stating the ACTUAL costs to run for a weekend, who said I would charge what it cost me to run a business? READ!
I would expect a GT3 to run for 3-5k for a day in europe, I mean what's the exchange rate now $1 = .00000005 Euros.
Mooty, I disagree on the speed of the hoosiers. And yeah, if you're willing to pay a surcharge for fresh hoosiers every day, then yeah, but that is not going to be included for a DE anywhere.
150k for a 997.1 GT3? In today's market? What are you smoking? Or did you bother to read the first post? Not only that, but if you think you are going to make a successful business with 1 GT3, you are still smoking. I didn't take the post seriously for that reason alone.
I was just responding to the post that you needed to clear 3k just to break even and stating the ACTUAL costs to run for a weekend, who said I would charge what it cost me to run a business? READ!
I would expect a GT3 to run for 3-5k for a day in europe, I mean what's the exchange rate now $1 = .00000005 Euros.
Mooty, I disagree on the speed of the hoosiers. And yeah, if you're willing to pay a surcharge for fresh hoosiers every day, then yeah, but that is not going to be included for a DE anywhere.
even at DE, no one will seriously run TTOD on 6 HC hoohoos. and i am VERY VERY stingy on tires.
04-03-2012 | 02:22 AM
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