New 4.0 Available at MSRP!
01-20-2012, 06:29 PM
#77
Burning Brakes
After 21 track days, 12,000 miles, numerous drag races, additional 10,000+ miles riding on a trailer, numerous autocrosses, an off-track at Daytona, an off-track at El Toro Airfield, the Scuderia has proven to be the most reliable car I have owned, and the cheapest to operate. Insurance is affordable too.
With the same usage, I would be on new axles in a GT3/GT2/RS, at least the 2nd clutch, definitely a new LSD.
The GT3/GT2/RS use the engine in the GT3 Cup. The Scuderia uses the engine in the F430 Challenge. FIAT recommends a rebuild every 200 track hours on the challenge cars (they run on slicks), VW recommends a rebuild every 80 hours. Most F430 challenge are running in the original engine since 2005.
The axles in the Scuderia are gigantic, like F-450 axles, twice as thick as VW axles. The diff in the Scuderia is an hydraulic unit with multiple plates controlled by its unique ECU, it provides 0%-100% lock. Very strong unit.
I only have two visits to a FIAT shop, both of them for annual service. All the other visits have been for alignment, upgrades (I went to Moton 3-way, then took them out a year later), etc.
I know the cost of AeroBeetle parts, and all the Aero Beetles have put way so much more $$$ on mods/maintenance.
My car is on the original rotors, haven't replaced rotors yet.
For track use, it is better to switch to steel rotors. A few kits are available starting at $5k with rotors for 4 corners and pads. I have been running CCB, but I'm about to change them.
Headers are recommended to be replaced with Capristo units and the insulation jackets. Most if not all the F430/360 that have caught fire is due to oil leaks over the red hot stock headers, they get way red hot just with highway driving. The Capristo units run hot as well, but the jacket insulates them from any leak. This is what I have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlfq8...yer_detailpage
Engine runs very cold contrary to a GT3, it might explain the longevity, 210 F degrees oil temperature is as high as I have seen at a track day, the car has great engine and tranny cooling (air/oil/coolant heat exchanger, 3 radiators and 4 air flow inputs just for the engine).
It needs brake ducts, I'm researching on this as there is a nice kit offered standard in the 599-GTO and it fits the Scuderia, cost around $800.
The F430 is not as reliable, many documented reliability issues. The F458 Italia still has issues with the DCT (FIAT-PDK) and it needs steel rotors as well for low operating costs. If you track 6 days a year, leave the F458 or Scuderia on the stock rotors.
Scuderias are in between $160k and $210k right now, their prices have come up a little bit in the last 12 months. The demand for them keeps getting stronger. There are close to 600 of them in U.S., 250 2008 (confirmed), close to 350 (rumored, based on a registry I keep).
GT3 is more relaxed to drive, the Scuderia is more furious. GT3 is laggy on the controls except the steering, the Scuderia is very sensitive to inputs.
Perfect track day cars: Scuderia and 4.0RS
With the same usage, I would be on new axles in a GT3/GT2/RS, at least the 2nd clutch, definitely a new LSD.
The GT3/GT2/RS use the engine in the GT3 Cup. The Scuderia uses the engine in the F430 Challenge. FIAT recommends a rebuild every 200 track hours on the challenge cars (they run on slicks), VW recommends a rebuild every 80 hours. Most F430 challenge are running in the original engine since 2005.
The axles in the Scuderia are gigantic, like F-450 axles, twice as thick as VW axles. The diff in the Scuderia is an hydraulic unit with multiple plates controlled by its unique ECU, it provides 0%-100% lock. Very strong unit.
I only have two visits to a FIAT shop, both of them for annual service. All the other visits have been for alignment, upgrades (I went to Moton 3-way, then took them out a year later), etc.
I know the cost of AeroBeetle parts, and all the Aero Beetles have put way so much more $$$ on mods/maintenance.
My car is on the original rotors, haven't replaced rotors yet.
For track use, it is better to switch to steel rotors. A few kits are available starting at $5k with rotors for 4 corners and pads. I have been running CCB, but I'm about to change them.
Headers are recommended to be replaced with Capristo units and the insulation jackets. Most if not all the F430/360 that have caught fire is due to oil leaks over the red hot stock headers, they get way red hot just with highway driving. The Capristo units run hot as well, but the jacket insulates them from any leak. This is what I have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlfq8...yer_detailpage
Engine runs very cold contrary to a GT3, it might explain the longevity, 210 F degrees oil temperature is as high as I have seen at a track day, the car has great engine and tranny cooling (air/oil/coolant heat exchanger, 3 radiators and 4 air flow inputs just for the engine).
It needs brake ducts, I'm researching on this as there is a nice kit offered standard in the 599-GTO and it fits the Scuderia, cost around $800.
The F430 is not as reliable, many documented reliability issues. The F458 Italia still has issues with the DCT (FIAT-PDK) and it needs steel rotors as well for low operating costs. If you track 6 days a year, leave the F458 or Scuderia on the stock rotors.
Scuderias are in between $160k and $210k right now, their prices have come up a little bit in the last 12 months. The demand for them keeps getting stronger. There are close to 600 of them in U.S., 250 2008 (confirmed), close to 350 (rumored, based on a registry I keep).
GT3 is more relaxed to drive, the Scuderia is more furious. GT3 is laggy on the controls except the steering, the Scuderia is very sensitive to inputs.
Perfect track day cars: Scuderia and 4.0RS
Love the fiat and thanks for the recommendation on the Capristo heat shield headers. They SOUND AMAZING with the Tubi Set up
01-20-2012, 11:01 PM
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It's nice to hear the FIAT is tough and that Ferrari is building cars for drivers!
02-02-2012, 03:09 AM
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^ subject car sold.
02-02-2012, 07:56 AM
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http://www.porschecarslondon.com/inv...ndardmodel=911 GT3 RS 4.0
02-02-2012, 08:20 AM
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I see there is a new white one at London (Ontario Canada) Porsche. C$228k
http://www.porschecarslondon.com/inv...ndardmodel=911 GT3 RS 4.0
http://www.porschecarslondon.com/inv...ndardmodel=911 GT3 RS 4.0
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02-02-2012, 09:37 AM
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haha that would be funny to export it from canada, were always buying yours in the US
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
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