Personal lap times in your GT3?
01-06-2012, 08:49 PM
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The guy driving in the Youtube video is Manuel Metzger, one of my team mates at Black Falcon. He is the current overall VLN champion and production car champion. He is a fantastic driver and it was only his eight lap ever with a GT3 on the Ring. His personal best in the Z4 3.0 full Nordschleife with short GP circuit is around 9.30, my personal best in the same car is 10.08 in this year's VLN.
I just bought a GT3RS MK1 in green two months ago but haven't tracked it yet.
Cheers
Mike
I just bought a GT3RS MK1 in green two months ago but haven't tracked it yet.
Cheers
Mike
- add c 20-25 sec to a BTG time (as driven in Tourist traffic where you need to stop after every lap to check-in for the next round) to compute a full flying Ring lap (as driven in some track events, eg RTS http://www.racing-trend-service.de/seite1l.htm)
- add another c1:30 to 1:40 to compute a VLN lap: it took me 1:39 on a Cup/slicks for the "short" GP circuit driven in the VLN races
a reality check of this looks like this:
i did 8:15 full ring flying lap on my GT3 RS Mk2 on MPSC (un-modded) in very little traffic.
And i did 1:39 on the VLN section of the GP circuit (in very little traffic on a 2007 Cup on Michelin slicks).
This translates into a theoretical VLN lap time of c9:55 minutes. In reality I did average ariund 10 mins on a Cup/slicks in VLN traffic.
To add a benchmark for us (amateur level): c8:55 performed on the same 2007 Cup on Michelin slicks by a driver with c1000 laps on a VLN lap with little traffic (ie lap 2 or 3 in a VLN race...it is on youtube somewhere). This would suggest c7:20 for the original Ring without the VLN/GP"short circuit" (on a Cup tuned to the Ring and on slicks).
beyond all the theory come and visit us to sense the VLN experience...
Markus
01-06-2012, 09:15 PM
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To provide some perspective on Ring times achieved in Tourist driving (BTG), full Ring laps and VLN racing:
- add c 20-25 sec to a BTG time (as driven in Tourist traffic where you need to stop after every lap to check-in for the next round) to compute a full flying Ring lap (as driven in some track events, eg RTS http://www.racing-trend-service.de/seite1l.htm)
- add another c1:30 to 1:40 to compute a VLN lap: it took me 1:39 on a Cup/slicks for the "short" GP circuit driven in the VLN races
a reality check of this looks like this:
i did 8:15 full ring flying lap on my GT3 RS Mk2 on MPSC (un-modded) in very little traffic.
And i did 1:39 on the VLN section of the GP circuit (in very little traffic on a 2007 Cup on Michelin slicks).
This translates into a theoretical VLN lap time of c9:55 minutes. In reality I did average ariund 10 mins on a Cup/slicks in VLN traffic.
To add a benchmark for us (amateur level): c8:55 performed on the same 2007 Cup on Michelin slicks by a driver with c1000 laps on a VLN lap with little traffic (ie lap 2 or 3 in a VLN race...it is on youtube somewhere). This would suggest c7:20 for the original Ring without the VLN/GP"short circuit" (on a Cup tuned to the Ring and on slicks).
beyond all the theory come and visit us to sense the VLN experience...
Markus
- add c 20-25 sec to a BTG time (as driven in Tourist traffic where you need to stop after every lap to check-in for the next round) to compute a full flying Ring lap (as driven in some track events, eg RTS http://www.racing-trend-service.de/seite1l.htm)
- add another c1:30 to 1:40 to compute a VLN lap: it took me 1:39 on a Cup/slicks for the "short" GP circuit driven in the VLN races
a reality check of this looks like this:
i did 8:15 full ring flying lap on my GT3 RS Mk2 on MPSC (un-modded) in very little traffic.
And i did 1:39 on the VLN section of the GP circuit (in very little traffic on a 2007 Cup on Michelin slicks).
This translates into a theoretical VLN lap time of c9:55 minutes. In reality I did average ariund 10 mins on a Cup/slicks in VLN traffic.
To add a benchmark for us (amateur level): c8:55 performed on the same 2007 Cup on Michelin slicks by a driver with c1000 laps on a VLN lap with little traffic (ie lap 2 or 3 in a VLN race...it is on youtube somewhere). This would suggest c7:20 for the original Ring without the VLN/GP"short circuit" (on a Cup tuned to the Ring and on slicks).
beyond all the theory come and visit us to sense the VLN experience...
Markus
just listening to shifting gears is priceless...and so it is in reality
A bit more flavor of what racing in the VLN with a CUP on the Rings is all abour you can see at the beginning of this
enjoy...
01-06-2012, 09:53 PM
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thank you Larry.
Following your tip i did a bit of you-tubing the ring...and found amongst other stuff your vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpeIb...layer_embedded
Very nice driving.
In response to the comment "I think the guy in the RS in front of me should have handed the keys over!" i have to admit that actually it is me (and one of your fellow instructors) in the RS who held you up between 7:55 and 8:15. Sorry for ruining your lap as i was doing my cool-down towards the end of my stint (and if i remember correctly the end of the day).
cheers,
mt
Following your tip i did a bit of you-tubing the ring...and found amongst other stuff your vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpeIb...layer_embedded
Very nice driving.
In response to the comment "I think the guy in the RS in front of me should have handed the keys over!" i have to admit that actually it is me (and one of your fellow instructors) in the RS who held you up between 7:55 and 8:15. Sorry for ruining your lap as i was doing my cool-down towards the end of my stint (and if i remember correctly the end of the day).
cheers,
mt
I really wanted the guy in the turbo to get out of the way!
yours, extremely embarassed ...
Larry
p.s
next time we are there, I will buy you as many beers as it takes!
p.p.s
I hear it is not looking good for the BMW school this year ...
01-06-2012, 11:39 PM
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These threads drive me nuts.
Honestly don't think I have what it takes to go fastish without killing myself until I do 100+ laps..
Than again with the euro going to parity it's getting cheaper and cheaper. A $40k 4.3 Manthey followed by a summer of ring driving are bucket list items.
Honestly don't think I have what it takes to go fastish without killing myself until I do 100+ laps..
Than again with the euro going to parity it's getting cheaper and cheaper. A $40k 4.3 Manthey followed by a summer of ring driving are bucket list items.
01-07-2012, 08:35 AM
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I was actually driving Jim Chamber's new RS and trying to show him the line and not thrash his new car ... but still the red mist of the ring took over ...
I really wanted the guy in the turbo to get out of the way!
yours, extremely embarassed ...
Larry
p.s
next time we are there, I will buy you as many beers as it takes!
p.p.s
I hear it is not looking good for the BMW school this year ...
I really wanted the guy in the turbo to get out of the way!
yours, extremely embarassed ...
Larry
p.s
next time we are there, I will buy you as many beers as it takes!
p.p.s
I hear it is not looking good for the BMW school this year ...
Hi Larry- no worries
have not heard anything from the BMW school either.
A good alternative is
http://www.scuderia-hanseat.de/en/news.html.
similar format as BMW school with sections and some time every day for full (unguided) laps.
i am planning for their May session.
Markus
01-07-2012, 03:05 PM
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Hi Larry- no worries
have not heard anything from the BMW school either.
A good alternative is
http://www.scuderia-hanseat.de/en/news.html.
similar format as BMW school with sections and some time every day for full (unguided) laps.
i am planning for their May session.
Markus
have not heard anything from the BMW school either.
A good alternative is
http://www.scuderia-hanseat.de/en/news.html.
similar format as BMW school with sections and some time every day for full (unguided) laps.
i am planning for their May session.
Markus
01-07-2012, 03:06 PM
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These threads drive me nuts.
Honestly don't think I have what it takes to go fastish without killing myself until I do 100+ laps..
Than again with the euro going to parity it's getting cheaper and cheaper. A $40k 4.3 Manthey followed by a summer of ring driving are bucket list items.
Honestly don't think I have what it takes to go fastish without killing myself until I do 100+ laps..
Than again with the euro going to parity it's getting cheaper and cheaper. A $40k 4.3 Manthey followed by a summer of ring driving are bucket list items.
01-07-2012, 03:17 PM
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here are 2 of the benchmark laps in VLN racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe5X0IQl010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKHCEnMheM
just listening to shifting gears is priceless...and so it is in reality
A bit more flavor of what racing in the VLN with a CUP on the Rings is all abour you can see at the beginning of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFoCrHwULC0&feature=fvsr
enjoy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe5X0IQl010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKHCEnMheM
just listening to shifting gears is priceless...and so it is in reality
A bit more flavor of what racing in the VLN with a CUP on the Rings is all abour you can see at the beginning of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFoCrHwULC0&feature=fvsr
enjoy...
grumble...
01-07-2012, 03:20 PM
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01-08-2012, 04:51 AM
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just a thought. Have you looked into obtaining a German license?
(unlike many other sports) for racing the formalities are easy.
Markus
P.S. i just checked. foreigners can get a German racing license if they live in Germany
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01-08-2012, 02:09 PM
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thanks for looking into this for me though!