And so the search resumes again.........
12-01-2011, 09:28 AM
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Bottom line is that there aren't many cars that offer the "package" that the GT3 offers. Refined yet raw, well built, plenty of power, low maintenance (relatively speaking), beautiful and comfortable enough to drive to the track, race and drive home. I'm sure when the seller starting thinking about replacements he came to the same realization.
I'm really curious if the 991 GT3's will retain the same driving characteristics of the 997 or if the 997 ends up being one of the highly desireable Porsche models of the future.
Good luck with your search and hopefully you're Christmast tree will have a shiny large object under it this year!
I'm really curious if the 991 GT3's will retain the same driving characteristics of the 997 or if the 997 ends up being one of the highly desireable Porsche models of the future.
Good luck with your search and hopefully you're Christmast tree will have a shiny large object under it this year!
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12-01-2011, 11:34 AM
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Both white. Others that appear to meet your criteria as well. Do an advanced search. GLWP
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12-01-2011, 11:50 AM
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street cars should be kept street stock, track cars should be purposly built and towed to and from track to give you a peace of mind.
and looking at 996 cup car prices now - you`ll spend $65-80K on a such car, with 10-20 hours on a motor, then will do $25-35K engine/tranny refresh after appx 100-120 hours of use. but all the rest in that car is already done and needs no improvements. it has cage, fire system, safety, all you may need. plus this way you get yourself a vehicle you can go racing with and be competitive in your class.
if you get bone stock reasonably fresh 997 gt3 car for same $75K you will have put in cage, put in good seats, tweak suspension, all in all it will eat up to $20K anyway and will never run as 996 cup runs anyway. plus most likely it will be a DE car only, and speaking of DEs it does not even metter what car to run them with.
12-01-2011, 11:57 AM
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after doing exactly that for a while i do not like it as a concept at all. all i can think on a track is what the heck i will do if i wreck it or if anything blows.
street cars should be kept street stock, track cars should be purposly built and towed to and from track to give you a peace of mind.
and looking at 996 cup car prices now - you`ll spend $65-80K on a such car, with 10-20 hours on a motor, then will do $25-35K engine/tranny refresh after appx 100-120 hours of use. but all the rest in that car is already done and needs no improvements. it has cage, fire system, safety, all you may need. plus this way you get yourself a vehicle you can go racing with and be competitive in your class.
if you get bone stock reasonably fresh 997 gt3 car for same $75K you will have put in cage, put in good seats, tweak suspension, all in all it will eat up to $20K anyway and will never run as 996 cup runs anyway. plus most likely it will be a DE car only, and speaking of DEs it does not even metter what car to run them with.
street cars should be kept street stock, track cars should be purposly built and towed to and from track to give you a peace of mind.
and looking at 996 cup car prices now - you`ll spend $65-80K on a such car, with 10-20 hours on a motor, then will do $25-35K engine/tranny refresh after appx 100-120 hours of use. but all the rest in that car is already done and needs no improvements. it has cage, fire system, safety, all you may need. plus this way you get yourself a vehicle you can go racing with and be competitive in your class.
if you get bone stock reasonably fresh 997 gt3 car for same $75K you will have put in cage, put in good seats, tweak suspension, all in all it will eat up to $20K anyway and will never run as 996 cup runs anyway. plus most likely it will be a DE car only, and speaking of DEs it does not even metter what car to run them with.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
12-01-2011, 12:15 PM
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Absolutely 100% disagree with that take. You can get insurance for the track for your street registered car. It is VERY reasonable.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
12-01-2011, 12:22 PM
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after doing exactly that for a while i do not like it as a concept at all. all i can think on a track is what the heck i will do if i wreck it or if anything blows.
street cars should be kept street stock, track cars should be purposly built and towed to and from track to give you a peace of mind.
and looking at 996 cup car prices now - you`ll spend $65-80K on a such car, with 10-20 hours on a motor, then will do $25-35K engine/tranny refresh after appx 100-120 hours of use. but all the rest in that car is already done and needs no improvements. it has cage, fire system, safety, all you may need. plus this way you get yourself a vehicle you can go racing with and be competitive in your class.
if you get bone stock reasonably fresh 997 gt3 car for same $75K you will have put in cage, put in good seats, tweak suspension, all in all it will eat up to $20K anyway and will never run as 996 cup runs anyway. plus most likely it will be a DE car only, and speaking of DEs it does not even metter what car to run them with.
street cars should be kept street stock, track cars should be purposly built and towed to and from track to give you a peace of mind.
and looking at 996 cup car prices now - you`ll spend $65-80K on a such car, with 10-20 hours on a motor, then will do $25-35K engine/tranny refresh after appx 100-120 hours of use. but all the rest in that car is already done and needs no improvements. it has cage, fire system, safety, all you may need. plus this way you get yourself a vehicle you can go racing with and be competitive in your class.
if you get bone stock reasonably fresh 997 gt3 car for same $75K you will have put in cage, put in good seats, tweak suspension, all in all it will eat up to $20K anyway and will never run as 996 cup runs anyway. plus most likely it will be a DE car only, and speaking of DEs it does not even metter what car to run them with.
Absolutely 100% disagree with that take. You can get insurance for the track for your street registered car. It is VERY reasonable.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
If I had the $$$ I would have picked up a GT3 with Sport Buckets but with two kids going into private school it made more sense to get the Spyder which IMHO is the next closest Porsche offering to the GT3. 
Sorry to take this OT by the way.
Good luck with the search Dell and looking forward to seeing pictures of the beast when you get it.
12-01-2011, 12:34 PM
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Absolutely 100% disagree with that take. You can get insurance for the track for your street registered car. It is VERY reasonable.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
Further, for those of us going to the track for 3-5 DE's a year it makes ZERO sense to have a purpose built race car to go to a DE. A purpose built race car is for club racing, not DE. A DE is just that, education. I am there to have fun, instruct, and run my car at a speed I am comfortable with. I don't need to win my DE and I surely don't push in places that can be expensive if you get it wrong. The other 95%+ of the year I will enjoy the car on the street.
maybe if i will subdue my participation to 3-5 events per year then may be it will be all fine the way it is, but so far it is not really working and it is what it is. as of street driving - during season car is always on r-comps, it is tuned for track, driving it on a street is a pita as well as i do not want to reconfigure it 3 times a month nor that i want to drive it on street on shaved r-comps.
now for winter i decambered it, replaced sways back with stock ones, so it is not so bumpy now and possible to drive with family members, but when season starts it will all come back other way. PITA.
12-01-2011, 12:42 PM
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mechanicals have nothing to do with the car being street or track. and the mechanical issues I see at DE's are far outnumbered to the purpose built race car crowd.
this is a reason I have always trailered my street car to DE's. I could drive it there very easily but I like having a backup set of wheels and tires and my family can all ride in the SUV and pile all the track crap in the trailer.
CAN WE PLEASE KEEP THE THREAD ON TOPIC. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT STREET OR TRACK CARS.
this is a reason I have always trailered my street car to DE's. I could drive it there very easily but I like having a backup set of wheels and tires and my family can all ride in the SUV and pile all the track crap in the trailer.
CAN WE PLEASE KEEP THE THREAD ON TOPIC. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT STREET OR TRACK CARS.
12-01-2011, 01:21 PM
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12-01-2011, 01:23 PM
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You ain't kidding Rog! I searched for that RS or 3.8 in the 80's and they don't exist. 90's is where they start and my budget was allowed to max at 80K. Plus I still will need to buy some goodies for the car :eviglrin: