sin911

Chin rocks other than the crowded run groups. 90 people is a ****load for 3 run groups

jenk12m

90 is nothing compared to how many pca will let into an event. you'll see 150 cars registered at some events. zone 2 pca at VIR has had the best track time out of any pca group that ive run with, especially when i ran in the DE group at their club race
AM- 2 45 min sessions/ PM- 3 30 min sessions for a 3 day weekend.

on sunday by lunch i was wore out and packed up to head back home

Mike Andrews

Glad you enjoyed the events.....


Mike

VIR Zone 2 DE Chief Instructor (March)
VIR Zone 2 Club Race Event Chair (June)

Izzone

It is blue that is busy

Get moved to Red and it is clear sailing for the most part

jenk12m

red run group with chin is awesome

luv2race

I enjoy the PCA events in the North East. They can get a bit crowded but most organizations here tend to overbook the track days. I am guessing that cost of track rental drives this overbooking.....$10 k a day or more plus money for first aid squad. Private rentals are great but very difficult as tracks like The Glen and LimeRock are booked way in advance and other clubs like MMC are now exclusive to members or some rare invite only for a grand a day and NJMP reserves 30 or so member days plus several spectator events.

I might be wrong but I believe point bys are required for certain insurance coverage for the organizers. I know my personal track day insurance excludes or require additional premium once you move to open passing.

Terry L

I can't imagine not continuing to do PCA events, if only to pay back the debt I owe for the years of free instruction which I received from PCA instructors who came before. I also really enjoy instructing. In my area, the PCA events are cheaper than the proprietary programs and I think they are better run, at least in terms of managing instructed drivers and promoting them appropriately. Sure, you might get more track time at an event which is all or mostly open track and limited to faster drivers, but I've noticed at such events that, by the end no one is driving. Everyone is just shot from track time and people are loading up their trailers at lunch time on day 2 or 3. Mixing in student groups varies the day and keeps you interested until the end. But back to the loyalty issue, if you bail on instructing, who will instruct the next incarnation of you?

mooty

the very fast group where we do flat out bump drafting.

Izzone

+1

I do my local pca de events to instruct, I feel it is a debt I owe

Don't always do all sessions with pca, enjoy the beer after though

utkinpol

SCDA is less crowded than PCA events and passing is imho more civil... All in all PCA cannot be beat for educational standpoint but sometimes indeed it feels that there are way too many people out there at a same time.

BUt what other venues can one use? BMW club is not much better than PCA imho. To go into open track days one would need racing license - it is a PITA to go over trouble to get one just to be able to go for open track. What else?

I never ran with SCCA ona track but I beleive they do not even have DEs, only racing?

ATL Fahrer

I truly enjoy PCA events and appreciate the introduction to the sport. I also like the idea of having people on the track that I can anticipate what they're going to do. PCA does a good job of training drivers that track etiquette. That's what makes DE's safer than driving around town - other than the speed

Our PCA region, Peachstate, does not utilize colors. I'll assume 1 = Green and 5 = Red

Erik

I have to instruct w PCA, some idiot a long time ago was willing to get in the car with me and instruct me, so I have to give back. Besides, our PCA region has open passing for instructors and plenty of tracktime except for the most crowded winter months

Jake951

In the Northeast there is the COM Sports Car Club (COMSCC): http://www.comscc.org/. It used to be known as "Corvettes of Massachusetts", but now Corvettes are a small minority and the club is open to all makes. There are always a few Porsche's there. They run a HPDE program similar to PCA (5 run groups, point-by passing rules, etc.), except that advancement tends to be quicker. They also run a time trial program for drivers signed off for solo. I've done a few events with them and they seem like a good group.

scott40

PCA events are generally great in my area, at Mid Ohio. Many regions come here and will usually have open lapping on Friday- which is a blast. Lots of track time on those days.

Rceron

Not true. Do some more research. Check out Chin, Kojote, Group52, or David Murry, for example.