6 Spd. WHY?
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Mike, just a matter of time. The GTR tranny is a dct also, and people upgrade, repair, left and right, with no problems, but you can't buy Nissan parts for it. Everything is aftermarket. A high performance clutch to hold high HP can const up to 11K, so not cheap by any means.
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Y'all are beating a dead horse. I often wonder what I'd get if I could...ya know. Id bet i have more track miles than anyone with PDK. PDK is really really good at what it does and even though in auto mode it will shift itself around a track perfectly. Actually Speedmerchants PDK race car they let PDK shift for them. I've played around with auto mode on the track but have more fun and like to know what gear I'm in just for fun by shifting PDK myself.
I can totally see why track guys like a manual though...plus maintenance down the road will be easier and possibly less money than PDK. There's a lot of people that can workmon a Porsche manual transmission and I don't know of anyone that can fix a PDK
I can totally see why track guys like a manual though...plus maintenance down the road will be easier and possibly less money than PDK. There's a lot of people that can workmon a Porsche manual transmission and I don't know of anyone that can fix a PDK
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I always laugh and shake my head at the ignorance of people who say that the dual-clutch or any other sequentially shifting transmission is "better" because "they use it in racecars". It's the typical car salesman rebuttal/talking point. Just because you push a button or pull a paddle to change gears doesn't mean you've magically transplanted F1 into your car.
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I'd seriously love to know what Speed Merchants did to their PDK. I know the did a lightweight flywheel and PDK shifted perfectly with no issues to the programing. In Sport Plus mode PDK fires off upshifts extremely fast. At the PCA 48hrs Sebring race I briefly spoke to a guy I think he might have been the owner and he said they went to replace the clutch packs and everything looked new. So they changed the fluid and buttoned it back up. He had nothing to sell me to make PDK better.
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An F1 trans. is a manual trans that uses hydraulic pressure to actuate the clutch and gearchange. A dual-clutch transmission uses two separate clutches, one for the gear you're in and the other to summon either the next gear up or down. How they work and "feel" is actually quite different.
I always laugh and shake my head at the ignorance of people who say that the dual-clutch or any other sequentially shifting transmission is "better" because "they use it in racecars". It's the typical car salesman rebuttal/talking point. Just because you push a button or pull a paddle to change gears doesn't mean you've magically transplanted F1 into your car.
I always laugh and shake my head at the ignorance of people who say that the dual-clutch or any other sequentially shifting transmission is "better" because "they use it in racecars". It's the typical car salesman rebuttal/talking point. Just because you push a button or pull a paddle to change gears doesn't mean you've magically transplanted F1 into your car.
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Another new vs old technology discussion. We had tons of this discussion already, here's what I said in our local PCA forum:
Modern technology allows couples to produce babies in test tubes. It is fast, easy, no sweats. I prefer the old dirty way any day.
Modern technology allows couples to produce babies in test tubes. It is fast, easy, no sweats. I prefer the old dirty way any day.
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An F1 trans. is a manual trans that uses hydraulic pressure to actuate the clutch and gearchange. A dual-clutch transmission uses two separate clutches, one for the gear you're in and the other to summon either the next gear up or down. How they work and "feel" is actually quite different.
I always laugh and shake my head at the ignorance of people who say that the dual-clutch or any other sequentially shifting transmission is "better" because "they use it in racecars". It's the typical car salesman rebuttal/talking point. Just because you push a button or pull a paddle to change gears doesn't mean you've magically transplanted F1 into your car.
I always laugh and shake my head at the ignorance of people who say that the dual-clutch or any other sequentially shifting transmission is "better" because "they use it in racecars". It's the typical car salesman rebuttal/talking point. Just because you push a button or pull a paddle to change gears doesn't mean you've magically transplanted F1 into your car.
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The Ferrari F1 is totally different than PDK and is actually much more closely related to the transmission in F1 cars. It is a manual transmission that uses servos/hydraulics to engage and disengage the clutch and shift gears.
NONE of Porsche's current racecars use PDK and they have not used it in a racing application since the '80s in the 962C. That PDK was very different than the current one.
While I prefer a manual transmission myself, PDK is fine and I'm not here to bash it. It's leaps and bounds ahead of tiptronic/automatic. I was simply responding to the "I don't think Vettel misses shifting at the track" rebuttal, which is not accurate.
EDIT: And I didn't mean to take a crack at OldGuy, admittedly it wasn't a very nice thing to say. He's good people and I remember he had to get rid of his GT3 because he had some back problems a while ago. I've just had this discussion the past few weeks with quite a few people that started out with "the guy at the dealer told me..."
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I love my H-pattern. There is something supremely gratifying about nailing upshifts & downshifts perfectly. It takes effort, skill and practice.
Even when done perfectly, it probably slower than a decent paddle shift. A LOT slower than a good one.
The Ferrari transmission is more "exciting" because of the whack-wham sound/feeling you get.
But frankly, my favorite transmission ever is the 6-speed on my 125 shifter kart. Simple, immediate, awesome.
Even when done perfectly, it probably slower than a decent paddle shift. A LOT slower than a good one.
The Ferrari transmission is more "exciting" because of the whack-wham sound/feeling you get.
But frankly, my favorite transmission ever is the 6-speed on my 125 shifter kart. Simple, immediate, awesome.
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Maybe you are just too old for the manual transmission 
I do not prefer to drive my car with 2 paddles... I want to be connected, and work (shifting,heel&toe etc...) to get the goods from the Mezger block....In my opinion PDK is good but not sophisticated enough compared to other double clutch systems on the market.... Not aggressive enough for track use!
I love my manual!
I do not prefer to drive my car with 2 paddles... I want to be connected, and work (shifting,heel&toe etc...) to get the goods from the Mezger block....In my opinion PDK is good but not sophisticated enough compared to other double clutch systems on the market.... Not aggressive enough for track use!
I love my manual!