WYD OPN

Nordschleife is 20.832 km (excluding GP track).
All data from Sport Auto tests by driver Horst von Saurma.

PORSCHES:
7:24.-- @ 168.64 kph .... 997.2 GT2RS .... 620PS / 1405kg (SA 11/10)
7:32.-- @ 163.91 kph .... Carrera GT .... 612PS / 1475kg (SA 01/04)
7:33.-- @ 163.71 kph .... 997.1 GT2 .... 530PS / 1497kg (SA 11/07)
7:33.-- @ 163.71 kph .... 997.2 GT3RS .... 450PS / 1417kg (SA 05/10)
7:40.-- @ 161.22 kph .... 997.2 GT3 .... 435PS / 1426kg (SA 06/09)
7:44.-- @ 159.83 kph .... 997.2 Turbo S .... 530PS / 1569kg (SA 03/11)
7:46.-- @ 159.14 kph .... 996.1 GT2 .... 462PS / 1450kg (SA 06/01)
7:47.-- @ 158.80 kph .... 997.2 Turbo .... 500PS / 1573kg (SA 03/11)
7:48.-- @ 158.46 kph .... 997.1 GT3RS .... 415PS / 1424kg (SA 03/07)
7:48.-- @ 158.46 kph .... 997.1 GT3 .... 415PS / 1440kg (SA 07/06)
7:54.-- @ 156.46 kph .... 997.1 Turbo .... 480PS / 1620kg (SA 06/07)
7:54.-- @ 156.46 kph .... 996.2 GT3 .... 380PS / 1380kg (SA 09/03)
7:56.-- @ 155.80 kph .... 996 Turbo .... 420PS / 1569kg (SA 06/00)
8:12.-- @ 150.73 kph .... 993 Turbo S .... 430PS / 1506kg (SA 03/97)

(Yes, there are several quicker published factory times by Walter Roehrl that are claimed and valid. These are all relative, being compiled from one source with one driver.)

Sample Porsche manufacturer times:
7:18.-- 997.2 GT2RS
7:27.-- 997.2 GT3RS 4.0
7:28.-- Carrera GT
7:31.-- 997.1 GT2
7:32.-- 997.2 Turbo S

GrantG

Is there a 996.2 GT3 time?

WYD OPN

I don't find one from Sport Auto. Autobuild shows 7:49.--.

Sport Auto shows 7:56.-- for the 996.1 GT3 from 06/03.

WYD OPN

Just FYI... Your ex-996 C2 did 8:38.--.

The 993 Carrera S did 8:46, so non-S is a bit slower.

GrantG

I think the official Porsche time for the 996.2 C2 was 8:17 (mine was the 3.6L 320hp facelift version). And strangely, a 993 C2 is faster than a 993 C2S. The only difference is that the C2S was wider in the rear which made it heavier, less aerodynamic and understeer more. At my old local track (only around 75 seconds laptimes), my 1973 911 is over 8 sec faster than either.

Larry Cable

you can subtract about 20 secs to get the BtoG time that you can measure on tourist days

WYD OPN

Interesting. One thing's for sure... Horst is no Walter Roehrl. Porsche's "official" mfr. times are very quick, especially since the GT-R's arrival.

The Sport Auto times do seem to be consistent and relative, if slower. It'd be a hoot to see what your 2.7 would do. I fear the back straight might kill the overall time a bit.

WYD OPN

To interpret for non-Ringers...

On public tourist days, full laps are not allowed. The "new" pit entrance/exit is about 2/3s down the long high-speed back straight. Tourists must enter just prior to the first bridge before the left downhill; and must exit after the last gantry leading onto the back straight. This abbreviates the lap by eliminating most of the high-speed back straight section. Thus it's referred to as a "Bridge-to-Gantry" lap, or BtoG.

Timing equipment and video cameras are disallowed on public tourist days. Not that it stops anyone.

Long live the Green Hell!

Carrara

7:32 was actually the time Walter Roehrl set with the Carrera GT, and 7:27 was the time a private test did.

WYD OPN

According to my extensive compilation as a hopeless 'Ring freak, the 7:32.44 time was indeed by SA's Horst von Saurma in 01/04; and the 7:28.71 time was by company test driver Walter Roehrl in 07/04 for Autobuild. Roehrl had previously done a 7:36.-- in the CGT in '02.

TeamDrugMoney

Interesting stuff. Am I to conclude that on a 2+ minute per lap track (ie VIR or the Glen) that my 997.2 GT3 should be 2 seconds faster than a 997.1 GT3 and 2 seconds slower than a 997.2 GT3 RS (considering same car setup like tires and stuff)?

Nordschleife

Be careful, the Nordschleife is a fast track with a lot of fast straightish sections and few (6ish) serious braking places.
Shorter tracks don't run such high lap speeds, unless they are ovals.

R+C

911SLOW

But we don't and we feel fast : )

datax

More Porsche data here. 99 is 996.1 and 03 is 996.2 GT3s. Highlighted yellow means car has factory sporty tires for track such as MPSC.

I'm also a big fan of Nordschleife like most of you. Been there several times since 98. Not sure others feel the same but the track is getting smoother and smoother.

WYD OPN

Nordschleife times don't necessarily translate well to other tracks. For Porsche models, the pecking order within and between generations seems fairly consistent, though.

Here are Sport Auto times from Hockenheim for Porsches.

1:08.4 .... 997.2 GT2RS
1:08.6 .... Carrera GT
1:09.6 .... 997.2 GT3RS
1:09.7 .... 997.1 GT2
1:10.4 .... 997.2 GT3
1:10.9 .... 997.2 Turbo S
1:11.1 .... 997.1 GT3RS
1.11.7 .... 997.1 GT3
1:11.8 .... (996.2 GT3 non-US)
1:12.1 .... 997.2 Turbo
1.12.6 .... 996.1 GT2
1:12.9 .... 997.2 Carrera GTS
1:13.7 .... 997.1 Turbo
1:13.7 .... Panamera Turbo
1:14.1 .... 993 Turbo S
1:14.6 .... 993 Turbo