GT3 w/ PDK Rennlist Say's So
02-04-2011, 04:08 PM
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it is a kinda mixed feeling for me - right now i know if my clutch goes I will simply put in sachs replacement one and it is a minor pain. what to do when your PDK goes? despite of how great it is - track use will wear it off. it has to.
from what i understand now it is not even possible to open it up for maintenance locally? i do want PDK performance but I do not want to end up with ferrari-like pieces that do cost a fortune to get them serviced with local mechanics not been able to do anything about them.
from what i understand now it is not even possible to open it up for maintenance locally? i do want PDK performance but I do not want to end up with ferrari-like pieces that do cost a fortune to get them serviced with local mechanics not been able to do anything about them.
02-04-2011, 04:20 PM
#17
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everything brakes with time. question is not if it will brake or not - question is how simple will it be to fix it and what will be $ wise. right now I do not think any local shop will be able to fix PDK box. but pretty much any shop can take my japanese gearbox apart or gt3 box. so, we will see.
I just hope in 2-3 years for 991 gt3 car some PDK usage statistics will accumulate. if that box is able to sustain 10K miles annually with 50/50 or even 80/20 track/street usage - that would be a proof that it is up to the task. still, it would make everybody`s life much easier if we could see an official DIY clutch disk replacement kit for PDK or at least if it could become a common knowledge how to service and tune this thing.
as of 'durable' example - old rs america cars are durable as most of them are still running on tracks and many still with original gearboxes. may be ferrari 458 will be able to run 10-15 years on a track season after season but I kinda doubt it.
I just hope in 2-3 years for 991 gt3 car some PDK usage statistics will accumulate. if that box is able to sustain 10K miles annually with 50/50 or even 80/20 track/street usage - that would be a proof that it is up to the task. still, it would make everybody`s life much easier if we could see an official DIY clutch disk replacement kit for PDK or at least if it could become a common knowledge how to service and tune this thing.
as of 'durable' example - old rs america cars are durable as most of them are still running on tracks and many still with original gearboxes. may be ferrari 458 will be able to run 10-15 years on a track season after season but I kinda doubt it.
02-04-2011, 04:25 PM
#18
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although no one I know has ever done this; dont forget that the GT3 manual box is designed to allow the ratios to be changed out ... not unlikely to happen on a PDK ... not a big deal since no one has done it ... although swapping the final on the 3 for the RS might be fun ...
02-04-2011, 04:26 PM
#19
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everything brakes with time. question is not if it will brake or not - question is how simple will it be to fix it and what will be $ wise. right now I do not think any local shop will be able to fix PDK box. but pretty much any shop can take my japanese gearbox apart or gt3 box. so, we will see.
I just hope in 2-3 years for 991 gt3 car some PDK usage statistics will accumulate. if that box is able to sustain 10K miles annually with 50/50 or even 80/20 track/street usage - that would be a proof that it is up to the task. still, it would make everybody`s life much easier if we could see an official DIY clutch disk replacement kit for PDK or at least if it could become a common knowledge how to service and tune this thing.
I just hope in 2-3 years for 991 gt3 car some PDK usage statistics will accumulate. if that box is able to sustain 10K miles annually with 50/50 or even 80/20 track/street usage - that would be a proof that it is up to the task. still, it would make everybody`s life much easier if we could see an official DIY clutch disk replacement kit for PDK or at least if it could become a common knowledge how to service and tune this thing.
1 - gear trains - not much different from a manual gearbox
2 - hydraulic/electronic controller - this is the system that can go bad, but its reliability so far has been outstanding
3 - dual clutch module - 2 wet clutches in a pancake arrangement - easier to swap than a regular clutch
All new systems launched by PAG (engines/transmissions) are shipped to Zuffenhausen when they initially break. They do that to understand on-the-field failures. After a while repairs are done on the field.
02-04-2011, 07:02 PM
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02-04-2011, 07:15 PM
#24
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he clearly derives a lot of pleasure from up/down shifts then...
02-05-2011, 01:32 PM
#26
Well technically a DCT is a Dual Clutch transmission. So theoretically - it is much more durable set up for track abuse(due to minimal slippage compared to our single clutch tranny). Of course when it fails you will have to probably replace the whole DCT! But that will be much much longer time wise(due to the innate design). For eg, Ferrari estimates their DCT to last 100K miles. How many GT3's are out there with 100K miles?
02-05-2011, 03:55 PM
#28
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...nsmission.html
auto guide is quoting a rennlist forum member and claiming Porsche is readying a GT3 with PDK.
So rennlist has the inside info nowadays huh?
auto guide is quoting a rennlist forum member and claiming Porsche is readying a GT3 with PDK.
So rennlist has the inside info nowadays huh?
02-06-2011, 04:31 AM
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i dont like this at all, the gt3 is a special product apeals to a specific customer, those passionate about driving and tracking. its loud, stiff, manual, with a heavy clutch, and striped. i like our cult, i se so much in comon with other gt3 owners. pdk would ruin that. itl be just as comon as the turbo. driven by anyone who wants a sports car.
thats my opinion
thats my opinion