Again CEL..
#32
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On my way to Champion again.
Appearantly not fixed in 4.0, strange how they hang on to using these old parts... O well, warranty works well, small job the part is in stock I might pick it up tomorrow they say.
Appearantly not fixed in 4.0, strange how they hang on to using these old parts... O well, warranty works well, small job the part is in stock I might pick it up tomorrow they say.
#33
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There is a new TSB from Porsche regarding this issue published 24th March 2011:
Technical Information
28/11 EN 3477
Mar 24, 2011
Unnecessary replacement of coolant regulator and temperature sensor (28/11)
Model year: as of 2007
Information
Vehicle Type:
911 GT3 (997)/911 GT3 RS (997)
Concerns: Disc valve on transmission
Situation: Unnecessary replacement of coolant regulator and temperature sensor With regard to the customer complaints Displayed temperature too low
Display only works sporadically
and the following fault memory entries in the DME control unitP2181 – Thermostat stuck open
P3081 – Engine coolant temperature implausible
we are getting more and more reports that the coolant regulator and/or temperature sensor is being replaced.These problems can occur independently of each other - depending on driving style and country.The main cause is a blocked disc valve; -arrow- (illustration shows the position of the disc valve on the transmission).
An indication of a defective disc valve is also if the oil temperature and coolant temperature are almost identical in the warm-up phase. As a rule, the coolant temperature should be higher than the oil temperature.
Deformation of the sealing ring can mean that the function of the disc valve can no longer be guaranteed
As a result, an additional cooling circuit is opened via transmission cooling in the warm-up phase and the engine is slow to reach operating temperature.
Action Required: In the event of a complaint, check the disc valve (visual inspection and function test) before replacing the coolant regulator and/or temperature sensor.
Only remove and check the disc valve when the engine is cold.
Part Nos.: 928.574.573.03
Disc valve
Tools: Hose clamping pliers Nr.192
Procedure: The disc valve must be removed for the test.Only carry out the following procedure when the engine is cold. 1 Removing disc valve
1.1 Remove underbody panelling,
1.2 Clamp off water supply and return hoses using hose clamping pliers ahead of the disc valve and after the transmission oil cooler.
1.3 Remove hose clamps and vacuum line between the vacuum unit (disc valve) and change-over valve and loosen screw (disc valve at sheetmetal holder).
1.4 Remove disc valve.
2 Visual inspection
When the disc valve is removed, you will be able to see during a visual inspection whether the disc valve seal is deformed and whether it is positioned in the correct groove.
2.1 Hold the disc valve against the light and look into one of the two water hose adapters.
2.2 If the seal is no longer in installation position, you will see parts of the seal at the inner wall of the adapter.
Is the seal in its original installation position?
If it is: ⇒ Step 3
If not: ⇒ Step 4
3 Function test (approx. 0.1 litres of water required for this)
3.1 Turn the removed disc valve in your hand so that the black adapter is facing upwards.
3.2 Move the disc valve over the joint rod with your hand until it is in “Closed” position and hold it closed with your hand.
3.3 Check the disc valve for leaks:
To do this, fill water into the upward-facing open adapter.
Does water come out of the opposite adapter?
If it does: ⇒ Step 4
If not: ⇒ Step 3.4
3.4 Disc valve is not leaking.
Install the disc valve in reverse order to removal.
Check the coolant level and correct it if necessary.
3.5 Work through the fault codes using “Guided Fault Finding” in PIWIS Tester II.
End of action required.
4 Replacing disc valve
4.1 Replace the defective disc valve.
Install the disc valve in reverse order to removal.
Check the coolant level and correct it if necessary
4.2 Work through the fault codes using “Guided Fault Finding” in PIWIS Tester II.
End of action required.
Technical Information
28/11 EN 3477
Mar 24, 2011
Unnecessary replacement of coolant regulator and temperature sensor (28/11)
Model year: as of 2007
Information
Vehicle Type:
911 GT3 (997)/911 GT3 RS (997)
Concerns: Disc valve on transmission
Situation: Unnecessary replacement of coolant regulator and temperature sensor With regard to the customer complaints Displayed temperature too low
Display only works sporadically
and the following fault memory entries in the DME control unitP2181 – Thermostat stuck open
P3081 – Engine coolant temperature implausible
we are getting more and more reports that the coolant regulator and/or temperature sensor is being replaced.These problems can occur independently of each other - depending on driving style and country.The main cause is a blocked disc valve; -arrow- (illustration shows the position of the disc valve on the transmission).
An indication of a defective disc valve is also if the oil temperature and coolant temperature are almost identical in the warm-up phase. As a rule, the coolant temperature should be higher than the oil temperature.
Deformation of the sealing ring can mean that the function of the disc valve can no longer be guaranteed
As a result, an additional cooling circuit is opened via transmission cooling in the warm-up phase and the engine is slow to reach operating temperature.
Action Required: In the event of a complaint, check the disc valve (visual inspection and function test) before replacing the coolant regulator and/or temperature sensor.
Only remove and check the disc valve when the engine is cold.
Part Nos.: 928.574.573.03
Disc valve
Tools: Hose clamping pliers Nr.192
Procedure: The disc valve must be removed for the test.Only carry out the following procedure when the engine is cold. 1 Removing disc valve
1.1 Remove underbody panelling,
1.2 Clamp off water supply and return hoses using hose clamping pliers ahead of the disc valve and after the transmission oil cooler.
1.3 Remove hose clamps and vacuum line between the vacuum unit (disc valve) and change-over valve and loosen screw (disc valve at sheetmetal holder).
1.4 Remove disc valve.
2 Visual inspection
When the disc valve is removed, you will be able to see during a visual inspection whether the disc valve seal is deformed and whether it is positioned in the correct groove.
2.1 Hold the disc valve against the light and look into one of the two water hose adapters.
2.2 If the seal is no longer in installation position, you will see parts of the seal at the inner wall of the adapter.
Is the seal in its original installation position?
If it is: ⇒ Step 3
If not: ⇒ Step 4
3 Function test (approx. 0.1 litres of water required for this)
3.1 Turn the removed disc valve in your hand so that the black adapter is facing upwards.
3.2 Move the disc valve over the joint rod with your hand until it is in “Closed” position and hold it closed with your hand.
3.3 Check the disc valve for leaks:
To do this, fill water into the upward-facing open adapter.
Does water come out of the opposite adapter?
If it does: ⇒ Step 4
If not: ⇒ Step 3.4
3.4 Disc valve is not leaking.
Install the disc valve in reverse order to removal.
Check the coolant level and correct it if necessary.
3.5 Work through the fault codes using “Guided Fault Finding” in PIWIS Tester II.
End of action required.
4 Replacing disc valve
4.1 Replace the defective disc valve.
Install the disc valve in reverse order to removal.
Check the coolant level and correct it if necessary
4.2 Work through the fault codes using “Guided Fault Finding” in PIWIS Tester II.
End of action required.
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#38
I had this problem with my 4.0. Replaced the disc valve (hardest part was getting to the little screw on the bracket - you need a flexible drill bit) and knowing where to clamp the hoses. Once I replaced, reset the error code, all was good.
#40
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I started a new thread on the CEL issue and disc valve/control-valve
it turns out after I tested, it was the control-valve:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...isc-valve.html
it turns out after I tested, it was the control-valve:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...isc-valve.html