mooty

simple is good.
make it light and simple
you dont like it? go somewhere else, buy a cadillac.
but no..... PROFIT rules.....
i give up.

YearOne

Oh Porsche no no no. Why would you do this to us?! Why do yo let the marketing department rape and pillage your wonderful history and devalue the most important model names you have left? This car should be called the Club Sport not the bloody R. NOT THE R, NOT THE R! CLUB SPORT.

I'm actually very angry about this. This is what an R should be, the ultimate lightweight philosophy not a slightly warmer run out sales booster:


843kg wet and 217bhp:
http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/612/911r.html

http://www.early911.co.uk/historic/html/911r.html

Snowboarder54

To quote my dear old friend and former employer from 48 years ago, Vasek Polack;
“Porsches are like children, there are no bad ones”. I wonder what he would say about the “R? I’ll take my next Porsche as a 2600 pound 500HP GT3 narrow body thank you!

stevecolletti

The 2011 date may have been stressed to make sure the public knew it was available now - marketing runs (ruins?) everything.

Yes, I'm still interested. I agree with all the posts (devaluing R nomenclature, what it could have been, model year, Spyder being more special, etc), but since I'm considering this car as replacement for my daily driver 01 Boxster S, my desires/goals for it are somewhat different from most on this list.

It will come down to what my $ will buy me. I always like the Cayman S, but could never justify the $85K (6spd, performance options only!) that the configurator came up with. The R fixes some things I didn't like, adds some options that Porsche wanted to nickel & dime me for.. hopefully it will make the dollar/content ratio palatable.

I'll be there on Saturday. Please let me know what you think after seeing it.

sin911

There is no way they're going to put a 3.8L GT1 motor in a Cayman, then there would be no reason for buying a GT3 or RS... GT3 and RS sales would drop by 95% instantly

I vote for 996 mk1 3.6L GT3 engine with 360-365hp. High revving, light, and there is a significant difference between the power of Cayman and GT3. This way you can justify the price difference between the two cars.

+1! A 3.6L GT1 engine would be a killer for these cars

It's just a Cayman S with Aerokit, ECU remap, buckets, and Spyder wheels... Such a disappointment.

TRAKCAR

I dunno, lots of 6'4" + GT3 drivers out there....But I see your point, still if they must dumb it down, like you said it should have been the 3.6 Gt1.

stevecolletti

Did anyone notice what tires it comes with? R-compounds?
Thanks!

zellamsee

Even though Porsche could have done more, did they did reduce weight and increase power (as compared to the *regular* Cayman). That is a good thing. And the suspension (20mm lower, no PASM), if the same as on the Boxster Spyder, is a killer set-up. So, the car will be a blast to drive (no doubt) and it will be a handling demon. But, again, I will take a Boxster Spyder over the Cayman R every time. I think Clarkson (Top Gear) pointed out a while back that the slotting of the Boxster, Cayman and 911 (power and price-wise) is just too obvious or neat, and it makes you wonder what the P engineers could do with the Boxster/Cayman platform if they were truly unleashed.

niche

Someone please unleash the Cayman!

Wilder

I like it. But it should be called Cayman and the Spyder should be called the Boxster. Period.

The R and the Spyder represent the Porsche philosophy and brand very well as entry level sport cars (light, minimalist and tuned). They shouldn't be "special" models (the regular and S versions of the Cayman and Boxster should be retired). And using R in the name is utterly disrespectful to the company's roots.

niche

^^^
Tru Dat!

MM3.9GT3

I think it a great value at less than $70K. Yes, it may not deserve the R designation, but on a tight technical track, stock vs stock, on similar tires, most GT3 drivers will be checking their mirrors.

quickxotica

I suspect every Cayman R sold will canibalize a 997 sale. If they had made the Cayman R any better, say with a 3.6L and further weight reduction, this problem would only worsen. I'm sure they'll make money on each CR, but not as much as they would have on each 997. Hence the relatively mild treatment.

GrantG

Don't you think some potential Cayman (S) or non-Porsche shoppers (BMW, Audi, Mustang, etc.) would be upsold too?

mooty

no, i disagree.
they did this when 944T was cheaper and faster than 911.
what i am saying is dumb down carerra, upgrade cayman, make cay faster than 911 but more $$$ than 911. this will slowly migrate customers to a different platform. 911 can cont. to evolve but how much more? when ferrari's put out 600hp from amidship, how will rear engine compute? tire wear and such......

if they developed cay s and consistently win lemans year after year, then cay will destroy 911 sales for good, AND allow porsche to move to a new platform with arguably unlimited potential.. yes, i also think the rear suspension could be changed on cayman. heck in fact, even the front suspension needs work, double wishbone baby.