Luke Hines scary ALMS crash!
09-05-2010, 05:34 AM
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Luke Hines scary ALMS crash!
If you have not seen Luke Hines' recent crash at Mosport then grab some TUMS and get ready to watch this horrible crash. Luke was the GTC leader when he got side swiped by Jonny Coocker's LMPC into the guard rail. Luke's GT3 Cup car took out 60 yards of guard rail and over 20 posts!! He is one lucky guy to be alive thanks to alot of luck and safety design of the Cup car ... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MCjAARTLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MCjAARTLc
09-05-2010, 11:23 AM
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well i watched live and saw the interview.
johnny cocker: that's a racing incident. i did see him......
luke hines: there's absolutely no need for this to happen..... if i was collected, i may not be here....
yeah, i am sure there's were some "chat" b/n them.
it was scary....
he could have spun off the rail down the hill.
or he could have been hit by the 10+ cars that went by him....
johnny cocker: that's a racing incident. i did see him......
luke hines: there's absolutely no need for this to happen..... if i was collected, i may not be here....
yeah, i am sure there's were some "chat" b/n them.
it was scary....
he could have spun off the rail down the hill.
or he could have been hit by the 10+ cars that went by him....
09-05-2010, 12:01 PM
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well i watched live and saw the interview.
johnny cocker: that's a racing incident. i did see him......
luke hines: there's absolutely no need for this to happen..... if i was collected, i may not be here....
yeah, i am sure there's were some "chat" b/n them.
it was scary....
he could have spun off the rail down the hill.
or he could have been hit by the 10+ cars that went by him....
johnny cocker: that's a racing incident. i did see him......
luke hines: there's absolutely no need for this to happen..... if i was collected, i may not be here....
yeah, i am sure there's were some "chat" b/n them.
it was scary....
he could have spun off the rail down the hill.
or he could have been hit by the 10+ cars that went by him....
As for the outcome, a combination of adequate engineering in the car and in the track safety preparations. Again, the response time and effectiveness of track safety workers was far from impressive and really not even adequate. I can't say local tracks like Laguna or Sears would have been as safe. The driver was very luck that the car returned to the track surface and none of the traffic came into the event -- it was nice of the commentators to say the driver was still "driving" the car, but with the nose off and only two wheels still attached to the car, it was a passenger ride from the instant of contact. If one considers the "end over" rolls that a 911 can easily perform at those speeds (if all the energy had not been taken out by the guard rail) then the car and driver could well have been far off track and down the hill.
I think the lesson here for 997 drivers is to be very careful about what you risk letting near the front of your car at speed. A nudge at the front is catastrophic in most cases while even a big hit to the back of the car is met with the full mass and mechanical traction of the 911 to resist being steered off into the scenery at 100+ mph. During DE events, I see drivers willing to bring the front of the car far too close to other cars, especially at speed along the straights in this exact same situation. I wonder if it might help the psychology of DE attendees if the driver's meeting included a ten minute video recapping these basic crash scenarios showing the consequences of seemingly unremarkable car to car contact.
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09-05-2010, 10:55 PM
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09-05-2010, 11:06 PM
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09-05-2010, 11:31 PM
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The same thing could happen in a DE between street cars. The outcome would certainly be different. The thing being, it started from a simple case of two drivers making mistakes at the same time -- having multiple classes on the track at once brings the same situation over and over. To remove car and driver specifics from the situation: the driver of the slower car class had no doubt been watching his mirrors all race long with the (much) faster class cars going by at a fierce clip. The faster class driver should have been much more controlled, but in the closing laps, aggression took over and judgement was poor to say the least.
As for the outcome, a combination of adequate engineering in the car and in the track safety preparations. Again, the response time and effectiveness of track safety workers was far from impressive and really not even adequate. I can't say local tracks like Laguna or Sears would have been as safe. The driver was very luck that the car returned to the track surface and none of the traffic came into the event -- it was nice of the commentators to say the driver was still "driving" the car, but with the nose off and only two wheels still attached to the car, it was a passenger ride from the instant of contact. If one considers the "end over" rolls that a 911 can easily perform at those speeds (if all the energy had not been taken out by the guard rail) then the car and driver could well have been far off track and down the hill.
I think the lesson here for 997 drivers is to be very careful about what you risk letting near the front of your car at speed. A nudge at the front is catastrophic in most cases while even a big hit to the back of the car is met with the full mass and mechanical traction of the 911 to resist being steered off into the scenery at 100+ mph. During DE events, I see drivers willing to bring the front of the car far too close to other cars, especially at speed along the straights in this exact same situation. I wonder if it might help the psychology of DE attendees if the driver's meeting included a ten minute video recapping these basic crash scenarios showing the consequences of seemingly unremarkable car to car contact.
As for the outcome, a combination of adequate engineering in the car and in the track safety preparations. Again, the response time and effectiveness of track safety workers was far from impressive and really not even adequate. I can't say local tracks like Laguna or Sears would have been as safe. The driver was very luck that the car returned to the track surface and none of the traffic came into the event -- it was nice of the commentators to say the driver was still "driving" the car, but with the nose off and only two wheels still attached to the car, it was a passenger ride from the instant of contact. If one considers the "end over" rolls that a 911 can easily perform at those speeds (if all the energy had not been taken out by the guard rail) then the car and driver could well have been far off track and down the hill.
I think the lesson here for 997 drivers is to be very careful about what you risk letting near the front of your car at speed. A nudge at the front is catastrophic in most cases while even a big hit to the back of the car is met with the full mass and mechanical traction of the 911 to resist being steered off into the scenery at 100+ mph. During DE events, I see drivers willing to bring the front of the car far too close to other cars, especially at speed along the straights in this exact same situation. I wonder if it might help the psychology of DE attendees if the driver's meeting included a ten minute video recapping these basic crash scenarios showing the consequences of seemingly unremarkable car to car contact.
Coming up the hill the Cup gave way and moved to his left, the LMP just tried to shoot the gap on power. The Cup did what he should have done and surrendered the apex to the faster vehicles he doesn't have to drive off the track to make room, Cocker misjudged and Hines paid for it.
09-05-2010, 11:43 PM
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i was right there at that Flag Stand when it happend, it was Unreal to comprehend what just happend and very Unreal to see Luke jump out the car all normal...
PS: Advice, never "Walk" Mosport, specially the Back Straight. It took me 3 hours to walk the whole track in 40c Heat
PS: Advice, never "Walk" Mosport, specially the Back Straight. It took me 3 hours to walk the whole track in 40c Heat
09-06-2010, 12:43 AM
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Don't see it as two drivers making mistakes, just one
Coming up the hill the Cup gave way and moved to his left, the LMP just tried to shoot the gap on power. The Cup did what he should have done and surrendered the apex to the faster vehicles he doesn't have to drive off the track to make room, Cocker misjudged and Hines paid for it.
Coming up the hill the Cup gave way and moved to his left, the LMP just tried to shoot the gap on power. The Cup did what he should have done and surrendered the apex to the faster vehicles he doesn't have to drive off the track to make room, Cocker misjudged and Hines paid for it.
09-07-2010, 05:46 AM
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Here is another example with Corvette at this year's 24 hours of Le Mans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dED4Z...eature=related
Anthony Davidson won the biggest jerk award with this interview. I cheered when his Peugeot took a dump later in the race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU70l...eature=related