GT2 RS-which engine? GT1 or 9A1 based
05-30-2010, 02:41 AM
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The GT1 motor actually came from the 964 block. My 996 GT3 had a 964 part number. So the 993 TT had
the same block. And it continued on to the 996 TT and GT cars. They changed the heads to have water jackets.
it doenst look good when you are so dismissive about an issue and you dont have any time on it or in it.
Once you drive a 9A1 you will change your tune. Ask the GT3 guys that now have 09 C2S PDK track cars.
Having said that I agree if the 9A1 motors are the future, then they should be baptized by fire. They should be raced and once successful then they should be in the GT cars. Dont start fooling yourselves
that the GT cars are race cars. They are street cars that do well at the track.
And use some reason when your thoughts. Just because an engine is more expensive doesnt make it better. The GT1 motor has to be hand built requiring more labor. The 9A1 motor is still hand built according to Ultimate factories, it just has fewer parts.
I have had THREE metzger motors and I loved all three of them. But this new 9A1 motor with PDK is a hoot!! The VW guy who is now in charge of Porsche is more into racing than weidenking. He wont let that part of Porsche go down the tubes. He has a responsibility to Porsche fans and owners, and I think he understands that.
the same block. And it continued on to the 996 TT and GT cars. They changed the heads to have water jackets.
it doenst look good when you are so dismissive about an issue and you dont have any time on it or in it.
Once you drive a 9A1 you will change your tune. Ask the GT3 guys that now have 09 C2S PDK track cars.
Having said that I agree if the 9A1 motors are the future, then they should be baptized by fire. They should be raced and once successful then they should be in the GT cars. Dont start fooling yourselves
that the GT cars are race cars. They are street cars that do well at the track.
And use some reason when your thoughts. Just because an engine is more expensive doesnt make it better. The GT1 motor has to be hand built requiring more labor. The 9A1 motor is still hand built according to Ultimate factories, it just has fewer parts.
I have had THREE metzger motors and I loved all three of them. But this new 9A1 motor with PDK is a hoot!! The VW guy who is now in charge of Porsche is more into racing than weidenking. He wont let that part of Porsche go down the tubes. He has a responsibility to Porsche fans and owners, and I think he understands that.
05-30-2010, 02:50 AM
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But it still pales in comparison to the Metzger....and I have the PDK too!
The Metzger rules until knocked of the throne, and a "half assed" dry sump doesn't do it, even when mated to a PDK.
But it still pales in comparison to the Metzger....and I have the PDK too!
The Metzger rules until knocked of the throne, and a "half assed" dry sump doesn't do it, even when mated to a PDK.
05-30-2010, 03:06 AM
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How could it be a GT car without a GT engine?
If the cheaper to build 9A1 motor goes in the GT3 does that mean Porsche reduces the price? Very doubtful, so how do they justify charging so much more over a Carrera?
Basically you are paying for a race proven engine with the GT cars. I’m sure the PDK transmission could be adapted it they truly wanted it to be. Or it would be even more interesting if they dropped the 918 V8 in there, Ruf has already done it.
Regardless it will be interesting to see what Porsche continues to put in its race cars and what the next generation of GT cars holds.
If the cheaper to build 9A1 motor goes in the GT3 does that mean Porsche reduces the price? Very doubtful, so how do they justify charging so much more over a Carrera?
Basically you are paying for a race proven engine with the GT cars. I’m sure the PDK transmission could be adapted it they truly wanted it to be. Or it would be even more interesting if they dropped the 918 V8 in there, Ruf has already done it.
Regardless it will be interesting to see what Porsche continues to put in its race cars and what the next generation of GT cars holds.
05-30-2010, 02:36 PM
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joe, I think Ruf has basically dropping the F430 engine in there...the 918 is a 3.4L with a 10k redline...
but yeah paul OG- technology does improve the best of the breed- but sometimes the replacement costs are beyond incremental (just like the aviation industry) so we keep making little evolutions and using the same platform til there is a true revolutionary step (how old is the f16? we still fly that thing!)
the best thing about the "new" engines is the compatibility with PDK. That does close the performance gap (launch control, faster shifts etc) - I think we can all agree that the 996GT3 and regular 996 were light years apart compared to lets say your 09 PDK C2S and an 08GT3 (straight line speed etc) which are a lot closer.
my point was that I don't think the 9a1 engines are the future of GT cars- they're just a stopgap until the new new engine comes out. the 993 and 964 were, in comparison to "today's regular 911" much more stout in the engine department...and the new engines are designed to be replaced like cartridges if they fail. last year PCNA had 380hp 997 3.8L engines for sale at less than $8,000. That's a brand new crate engine! with harnesses!
but yeah paul OG- technology does improve the best of the breed- but sometimes the replacement costs are beyond incremental (just like the aviation industry) so we keep making little evolutions and using the same platform til there is a true revolutionary step (how old is the f16? we still fly that thing!)
the best thing about the "new" engines is the compatibility with PDK. That does close the performance gap (launch control, faster shifts etc) - I think we can all agree that the 996GT3 and regular 996 were light years apart compared to lets say your 09 PDK C2S and an 08GT3 (straight line speed etc) which are a lot closer.
my point was that I don't think the 9a1 engines are the future of GT cars- they're just a stopgap until the new new engine comes out. the 993 and 964 were, in comparison to "today's regular 911" much more stout in the engine department...and the new engines are designed to be replaced like cartridges if they fail. last year PCNA had 380hp 997 3.8L engines for sale at less than $8,000. That's a brand new crate engine! with harnesses!
05-30-2010, 03:59 PM
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05-30-2010, 04:13 PM
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05-30-2010, 10:48 PM
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AP: "We wanted to stick with the GT1 motorsport block -- we need it for for homologation, because this is the block we race with and this is a homologation car and it needs the same block as well."
AP: "This car is really set up for race track use and that's why we intend to keep it for one more generation or maybe for even more, because customers love this engine... it has lots of character and the GT3 is all about emotion and character and this is what this engine can do best..."
Next gen GT3 = 998 body but same 7.2GT3 drivetrain. The question is will the 998 be better looking than 997.2?
05-30-2010, 11:49 PM
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05-31-2010, 04:00 AM
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05-31-2010, 04:01 AM
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05-31-2010, 12:10 PM
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Agreed. I'm afraid it is going to become too GT-ish; and I don't mean GT engine. Lighter, longer wheelbase, wider, less fore and aft over-hang, more interior room (YUK!!!), etc... I like the wider, lighter, less over-hang parts.
05-31-2010, 02:15 PM
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