Cars that make the GT2 RS awesome by comparison
05-19-2010, 08:17 PM
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but you are right i did fine with both my GT2's... the 997 Gt2 was a supercar in itself! but was the wrong time for me to own it ... after buying out my partner! and the industry.. 2nd best car i have ever had! and yes I would like to have the
2RS... if business right I would probably buy one! and an R8 V10 spyder for dates!
05-19-2010, 08:35 PM
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Actually I think the GT2 RS makes the 2008 GT2 awesome.
It is easy to add power to the 2008 GT2, it is easy to make it 200 lbs lighter, and for half the price, I think the 08 is a good deal.
It is easy to add power to the 2008 GT2, it is easy to make it 200 lbs lighter, and for half the price, I think the 08 is a good deal.
05-19-2010, 08:50 PM
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lol!!!!!!!!!! that is funny!!!!!!!!!! I have Freaking ADD with cars!!!!!!!
but you are right i did fine with both my GT2's... the 997 Gt2 was a supercar in itself! but was the wrong time for me to own it ... after buying out my partner! and the industry.. 2nd best car i have ever had! and yes I would like to have the
2RS... if business right I would probably buy one! and an R8 V10 spyder for dates!
but you are right i did fine with both my GT2's... the 997 Gt2 was a supercar in itself! but was the wrong time for me to own it ... after buying out my partner! and the industry.. 2nd best car i have ever had! and yes I would like to have the
2RS... if business right I would probably buy one! and an R8 V10 spyder for dates!
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05-19-2010, 08:53 PM
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05-19-2010, 09:15 PM
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Like the .2 GT3 RS, I think we're seeing, in the .2 GT2 RS, a new 911, not just an incremental 911 update.
I think we're seeing what Porsche has already in store for the 2012 new models ... lord knows what else they have in reserve to raise the bar if need be, but if they're prepared to play a 630hp GT1 engine today ... my oh my! ... Preuninger et al must have a deck of aces up their sleeve!
Who can look at the lineage, the line-up and the future and not be in awe? The Carrera GT, the new GT3 RS, the GT2 RS and now the 918 prototype.
If I sound "effusive" I have to admit I am, to say the very least, renewed in my respect for Porsche. After only 1000 miles and four track days, the 2010 RS is a religious experience. The 2011 GT2 and GT2 RS are surely biblical.
There is no substitute. There is simply no comparison!
05-19-2010, 11:01 PM
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If I sound "effusive" I have to admit I am, to say the very least, renewed in my respect for Porsche. After only 1000 miles and four track days, the 2010 RS is a religious experience.
05-20-2010, 11:22 AM
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And the change in chassis, the geometry of the rear, the wider front track, cooling, brakes, engine mounts, pasm programming, TC and SC updates, plus the factory warrantied power upgrade and resale value ... no, the '08 is not a good deal in comparison, it's potentially about the same starting point but it can't maintain the same total cost of ownership -- if it were a typical, incremental update, sure, the prior model (like the .1 GT3 and RS) is a screaming bargain that buyers will lament procrastinating as they see they've missed the window of opportunity, but no, the .1 GT2 just can't be updated to the .2 GT2 let alone the RS, there's too much in it.
Like the .2 GT3 RS, I think we're seeing, in the .2 GT2 RS, a new 911, not just an incremental 911 update.
I think we're seeing what Porsche has already in store for the 2012 new models ... lord knows what else they have in reserve to raise the bar if need be, but if they're prepared to play a 630hp GT1 engine today ... my oh my! ... Preuninger et al must have a deck of aces up their sleeve!
Who can look at the lineage, the line-up and the future and not be in awe? The Carrera GT, the new GT3 RS, the GT2 RS and now the 918 prototype.
If I sound "effusive" I have to admit I am, to say the very least, renewed in my respect for Porsche. After only 1000 miles and four track days, the 2010 RS is a religious experience. The 2011 GT2 and GT2 RS are surely biblical.
There is no substitute. There is simply no comparison!
Like the .2 GT3 RS, I think we're seeing, in the .2 GT2 RS, a new 911, not just an incremental 911 update.
I think we're seeing what Porsche has already in store for the 2012 new models ... lord knows what else they have in reserve to raise the bar if need be, but if they're prepared to play a 630hp GT1 engine today ... my oh my! ... Preuninger et al must have a deck of aces up their sleeve!
Who can look at the lineage, the line-up and the future and not be in awe? The Carrera GT, the new GT3 RS, the GT2 RS and now the 918 prototype.
If I sound "effusive" I have to admit I am, to say the very least, renewed in my respect for Porsche. After only 1000 miles and four track days, the 2010 RS is a religious experience. The 2011 GT2 and GT2 RS are surely biblical.
There is no substitute. There is simply no comparison!
A stock 2008 GT2 is a faster track car than the 2010 GT3 RS. The 2010 GT3 RS got 10 secs faster than the 997.1 GT3 around the Ring mostly due to aero changes, another 35Hp and proper gearing (critical). The GT2 RS repeats the formula of the 2010 GT3 RS with some extras, the car got 14 secs faster than the 2008 GT2, due mostly due to aero changes, another 90 Hp, proper gearing, and a substantial weight reduction. There is also the unknown factor of the MPSC tires specifically designed for the GT2 RS, Dodge got race spec MPSC for the Viper ACR, Porsche could have pushed Michelin to do the same for the GT2 RS, but we won't know until the tires show up and they are tested against the 2010 GT3 RS tires.
Getting extra power from the 2008 GT2 is both cheap and easy. This is the same engine used since the 2001 996 Turbo, these engines are running over 1,000 Hp on some tuned street cars, so I don't get the reliability concern about another 90Hp from a stock 08 GT2. A good set of shocks and springs exceeds the performance of the stock GT2 RS geometry/suspension upgrades. You can easily remove over 200 lbs from the 08 GT2 (the GT2 RS US version will save 155 lbs, before dealers put their hands on the order guide). Wider track can be achieved with just wheels. Aero improvements, you can either use the front lip, rear wing from the GT2 RS or do better than that and adapt a 2010 GT3 RS wing, and use the front end from the GT3 RS as well. I doubt the GT2 RS generates more downforce than the 2010 GT3 RS. 10.5 lighter brakes in the 2011 GT2 RS is good, but won't make the car noticeable faster on the timer.
Currently, 08 GT2 are being traded in the low 120s, and that's before the GT2 RS was announced. Once the 2011 GT2 RS shows up in these shores and sits in dealer showrooms waiting for buyers, the 08 GT2 will get even cheaper.
I like what Porsche did with the GT2 RS, incremental changes over the 997.1 GT2, the same approach that has been used since 1999 with the GT3, and since 2001 with the GT2. I also like that Porsche called it a GT2 RS, but would have preferred to see a more radical aero package, that improves both performance, and visually made it look different than a 997.1 GT2.
The only deal better than an used 2008 GT2 is an used 2011 GT2 RS.
05-20-2010, 11:56 AM
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Resale value and GT2 RS, good luck with that. Check the 996 and 997 GT2 used values. The only GT2 with a good resale is the 993 GT2. Porsche is bringing more GT2 RS to U.S. than the number of 997.1 GT2 sold in 2009, and I haven't seen those 2009 very exclusive cars holding their value that well.
A stock 2008 GT2 is a faster track car than the 2010 GT3 RS. The 2010 GT3 RS got 10 secs faster than the 997.1 GT3 around the Ring mostly due to aero changes, another 35Hp and proper gearing (critical). The GT2 RS repeats the formula of the 2010 GT3 RS with some extras, the car got 14 secs faster than the 2008 GT2, due mostly due to aero changes, another 90 Hp, proper gearing, and a substantial weight reduction. There is also the unknown factor of the MPSC tires specifically designed for the GT2 RS, Dodge got race spec MPSC for the Viper ACR, Porsche could have pushed Michelin to do the same for the GT2 RS, but we won't know until the tires show up and they are tested against the 2010 GT3 RS tires.
Getting extra power from the 2008 GT2 is both cheap and easy. This is the same engine used since the 2001 996 Turbo, these engines are running over 1,000 Hp on some tuned street cars, so I don't get the reliability concern about another 90Hp from a stock 08 GT2. A good set of shocks and springs exceeds the performance of the stock GT2 RS geometry/suspension upgrades. You can easily remove over 200 lbs from the 08 GT2 (the GT2 RS US version will save 155 lbs, before dealers put their hands on the order guide). Wider track can be achieved with just wheels. Aero improvements, you can either use the front lip, rear wing from the GT2 RS or do better than that and adapt a 2010 GT3 RS wing, and use the front end from the GT3 RS as well. I doubt the GT2 RS generates more downforce than the 2010 GT3 RS. 10.5 lighter brakes in the 2011 GT2 RS is good, but won't make the car noticeable faster on the timer.
Currently, 08 GT2 are being traded in the low 120s, and that's before the GT2 RS was announced. Once the 2011 GT2 RS shows up in these shores and sits in dealer showrooms waiting for buyers, the 08 GT2 will get even cheaper.
I like what Porsche did with the GT2 RS, incremental changes over the 997.1 GT2, the same approach that has been used since 1999 with the GT3, and since 2001 with the GT2. I also like that Porsche called it a GT2 RS, but would have preferred to see a more radical aero package, that improves both performance, and visually made it look different than a 997.1 GT2.
The only deal better than an used 2008 GT2 is an used 2011 GT2 RS.
A stock 2008 GT2 is a faster track car than the 2010 GT3 RS. The 2010 GT3 RS got 10 secs faster than the 997.1 GT3 around the Ring mostly due to aero changes, another 35Hp and proper gearing (critical). The GT2 RS repeats the formula of the 2010 GT3 RS with some extras, the car got 14 secs faster than the 2008 GT2, due mostly due to aero changes, another 90 Hp, proper gearing, and a substantial weight reduction. There is also the unknown factor of the MPSC tires specifically designed for the GT2 RS, Dodge got race spec MPSC for the Viper ACR, Porsche could have pushed Michelin to do the same for the GT2 RS, but we won't know until the tires show up and they are tested against the 2010 GT3 RS tires.
Getting extra power from the 2008 GT2 is both cheap and easy. This is the same engine used since the 2001 996 Turbo, these engines are running over 1,000 Hp on some tuned street cars, so I don't get the reliability concern about another 90Hp from a stock 08 GT2. A good set of shocks and springs exceeds the performance of the stock GT2 RS geometry/suspension upgrades. You can easily remove over 200 lbs from the 08 GT2 (the GT2 RS US version will save 155 lbs, before dealers put their hands on the order guide). Wider track can be achieved with just wheels. Aero improvements, you can either use the front lip, rear wing from the GT2 RS or do better than that and adapt a 2010 GT3 RS wing, and use the front end from the GT3 RS as well. I doubt the GT2 RS generates more downforce than the 2010 GT3 RS. 10.5 lighter brakes in the 2011 GT2 RS is good, but won't make the car noticeable faster on the timer.
Currently, 08 GT2 are being traded in the low 120s, and that's before the GT2 RS was announced. Once the 2011 GT2 RS shows up in these shores and sits in dealer showrooms waiting for buyers, the 08 GT2 will get even cheaper.
I like what Porsche did with the GT2 RS, incremental changes over the 997.1 GT2, the same approach that has been used since 1999 with the GT3, and since 2001 with the GT2. I also like that Porsche called it a GT2 RS, but would have preferred to see a more radical aero package, that improves both performance, and visually made it look different than a 997.1 GT2.
The only deal better than an used 2008 GT2 is an used 2011 GT2 RS.
As for resale value of the RS, if it establishes its place in history as the last and most powerful turbocharged variant of the engine with a GT1 lineage, then it could well stand side by side with the venerable 993 GT2.
I don't think of the new GT3 RS as a car I'd keep "forever" (I've grown tired of fooling myself with "this is the last one I'll ever need" when a new GT3 shows up every two or three years) but if that's the last of the "old" engine (and I think it's in the first of the "new" 911 chassis) then it could well be a keeper.
Given the worsening global economics and the flat line auto industry, maybe I'll be very luck and get a GT2 RS, but I doubt I'll be competing to buy one new.
ps. "Investing in classic cars" on CNBC today. : )
05-20-2010, 12:54 PM
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