NITEALB

Interesting topic. i currently still own an 08 acr viper. I also own a 2009 gt2. for comparison, the track i run is flat and heavy on brakes. the gt2 laps at least 1 second quicker. unfortunately i haven't had both cars out at a big fast track like mosport. partly because i'm a beginner at mosport and scared of hitting the walls. but more importantly, reliability. the acr spun a bearing after a few lapping days - diagnosed as oil starvation. the gt2 has 37 track days on it this year and is/has been perfectly reliable. I guess thats the difference, the acr drives great but akin to other competitors to porsche, the car isnt built to handle constant punishment on a race track. I've owned several marques and tracked them all, the only brand i've had that has not been towed from the track has been the Porsche(s).

OldGuy

A agree with Moot, most GT3 RS drivers dont care what the viper does. Even if its 5 minutes faster to use Moots example I still could not justify that I would have a "DODGE" in the garage. Just like a Dodge OMNI. I would have a hard time with that. I would love and DO love the fact that the car in the garage has all kinds of racing heritage in it. Including the 1986 LeMans winning tranny in the car.
I COULD have a viper as another car in the garage because I have alot of respect for that car. I have driven some examples and its OK just very trucklike to me as opposed to super car feeling.

Backmarker

We are the same height and I fit in my 6gt3 just fine without the lowering kit from BK with my helmet on

What's your inseam? 45"?

Tacet-Conundrum

I have yet to have the joy of driving a Manual 997. Its just my left leg seems awfully close to the dash board and I don't know if it would be constantly striking it, the dashboard that is! Inseam is 33.5".

I guess a lot of it has to do is I'm not use to driving in cars with such progressively low --laying nearly flat like in F1 almost-- seating.

bob_dallas

Sorry for the late response - I'm on vacation right now. I don't have a problem at all with the clutch. My height is pretty evenly balanced between legs and torso which I think helps. My inseam is about 37". I'm a little tight headroom wise with a helmet and could use a little more room for my legs but it's really not bad.

Jim Sullivan

"Evo magazine is reporting the newly facelifted 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS has unofficially lapped Nurburgring Nordschleife in 7min 33sec. That's still significantly slower than the current leaders, which include the Corvette ZR1 (7m26.4s), Gumpert Apollo (7m11.57s), Radical SR8LM (6m48s) and the highly disputed Nissan GT-R (7m27.56s), however, compared to the regular 911 GT3 it is a full seven seconds quicker."

Nurburgring Lap times
Production vehicles
Time Vehicle Driver Date Notes
6:48 Radical SR8LM Michael Vergers 19 August 2009 Radical Sportscars[1][2]
6:55 Radical SR8 Michael Vergers 28 September 2005 Radical Sportscars[3] Timed by Sport Auto [4][5][6]
7:11.5 Gumpert Apollo Speed Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
7:22.1 Dodge Viper ACR (2009) Tom Coronel 18 August 2008 Chrysler conducted test,[7] Motor Trend confirmed, Hardcore Package option, suspension adjustments,[8] aero adjustments, video confirmed, driver: Tom Coronel (NED).
7:24.3 Maserati MC12 Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
7:24.7 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
7:25.3 Ferrari Enzo Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
7:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2009) Jim Mero 27 June 2008 General Motors conducted test,[9][10][11] base specification car with stock tires and non-stock safety equipment, video confirmed. Driver: Jim Mero (GM Engineer), June 2008. Also, Sport Auto[12] published results of Horst von Saurma obtaining 7:38 on Michelin tires.
7:26.70 Nissan GT-R (2010) Toshio Suzuki 23 April 2009 Nissan Motors conducted test. Completed on standard Dunlop run flat tires.[13]
7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng September 2007 Pagani conducted test,[14][15] semi-wet conditions[citation needed]
7:28.71 Porsche Carrera GT Walter Röhrl 2 July 2004 Autobild (07/04) [15]
7:29.03 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki 17 April 2008 Nissan Motors conducted test,[16][17][18]. The test used a stock GT-R with stock tires. Video confirmed.
7:32.02 Porsche 911 GT2 (2008) Walter Röhrl 2007 Porsche conducted test,[19] R compound tires used.[citation needed]
7:33.6 Koenigsegg CCX Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 17 October 2005 Sport Auto (03/2006)[20]
7:34 Porsche 911 GT2 September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[21] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Sport Auto (02/2008)[22]
7:38 Porsche 911 Turbo September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[21] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[23] Dunlop tires
7:39 Porsche 911 Turbo (2010) Porsche Conducted Test [24] Stock vehicle with stock tires
7:39 F430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2008)[25]
7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 'Wheels' magazine (12/2005)[citation needed]
7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Klaus Ludwig AutoBild (07/2004)[citation needed]
7:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Giorgio Sanna Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)
7:40 Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2009)[26]
7:40.6 Ford GT Markus Draper Octane Magazine[citation needed]
7:42 Porsche 911 GT3 Walter Röhrl Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Jan Magnussen 2005 General Motors,[27][28] Motor Trend confirmed
7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 'Motor' magazine[citation needed]
7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
7:46 Porsche 911 GT2 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2001)
7:46 Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (09/2007)[29]
7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2004)
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[30]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires[citation needed]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007 Sport Auto[31]
7:49.0 Porsche 911 GT2 Chris Harris November 2008 Drivers Republic[32]
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008),[33] PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[34] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[21] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2007)[35]
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:55.9 Nissan GT-R Chris Harris November 2008 Drivers Republic[32]
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill crossedflags.com[36]
7:56 Honda NSX-R (NA2) Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring (08/2002), No Airbags, No ESC, No Spare tire.[citation needed]
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2000)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 Dave Hill General Motors conducted test[citation needed]
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008 General Motors conducted test,[37] video confirmed[38]
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl 'Wheels' magazine (06/2004), PASM setting "Performance"[citation needed]
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec Dirk Schoysmans 1996 Best Motoring - Time Attack / Autocar magazine 97, stock[citation needed][39]
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10 November 2005 Motor Trend[citation needed]
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series, Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)[citation needed]
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series Autobild (07/2007)
8:02 Aston Martin DBS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [40]
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2005)
8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/1999)
8:03 Honda NSX-R (NA1) Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring (02/2006), Omit the safe equipment model: No Airbags, No ESC, No Spare tire[citation needed]
8:04 Audi R8 Sport Auto (07/2007)[41]
8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[42]
8:06 Subaru WRX STi Spec-C Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video 'NISMO Beast Unleashed'
8:07 BMW Z8 E52 Autobild (06/2001)
8:09 Audi RS4 Sport Auto (06/2006)
8:09 BMW M6 E63 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2005), Sport tires, 259 km/h speed limiter.[citation needed]
8:09 Honda NSX-R Sport Auto (08/2002), Sport tires, suspension modification.[citation needed]
8:10 Porsche Boxster S www.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/372/449102/text/11
8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1997)
8:10 BMW Alpina B6 S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2008)[43]
8:10.08 Porsche Cayman S Walter Röhrl Sport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.[citation needed]
8:11 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX Horst von Saurma (Best Motoring video 14)
8:13 BMW M5 E60 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2004)
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB Sport Auto (10/1994)
8:13 Mercedes-Benz_C63 AMG Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (2/2009)[44]
8:14 BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2008),[45] including optional LSD and 19 inch wheels.
8:16.90 Renault MéganeRS R26.R Vincent Bayle 23 June 2008 [46] FWD record with Toyo R888 tyres (An optional extra on the road car).[citation needed]
8:18 Lexus IS-F Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (9/2008)[47]
8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video Special DVD
8:22.85 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo (2008) October 2007 Not independently verified manufacturer time.[48] See 9:02 time for the same date.
8:22 BMW M3 E46 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2000)
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/8 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1998)
8:24 Subaru Impreza (2004) Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Lotus Exige S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2008)[49]
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:26 Audi S5 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2008)[50]
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2003)
8:26 Ford Focus RS Horst von Saurma Ford conducted test (08/2009)
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/1997)
8:29 Audi TTS Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2008)[51]
8:32 Porsche Boxster S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/1999)
8:35 Opel Astra OPC 2.0T (240PS) FWD Record Sept05 - June08 Manuel Reuter Opel, 05
8:35.00 Ford Focus ST Patrick Bernhard 2005
8:38 Honda NSX Sport Auto, (08/1997)
8:39 Honda S2000 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2000)
8:39 Mazda MAZDASPEED3 Mark Ticehurst 2007 Mazda News (06/2007),[52] Inexperienced driver.[53]
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Sport Auto (07/1997), automatic transmission
8:42 Lotus Exige Mk1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2000), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:43.52 Chevrolet HHR SS
8:47 Volkswagen Scirocco 2.0 TSI Bernt Bråten Andersen 15 November 2009 Minimalt.no
8:47 Honda Civic Type-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2001)
8:49 Volkswagen Golf R32 Sport Auto (09/2006

Jim Sullivan

.. I read somewhere that Porsche said there was "light traffic" during the new RS run and that they could have improved upon their time a bit.

markus_t19

In August 2005 Patrick Simon did a 7:15,63 on a Porsche 911 GT2 modded by EDO-Competition - in a street legal car on Pirellis - also street legal.

but then Patrick is a ring-pro finishing in top positions on the ring VLN and 24h races...and he knows how to drift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUH76xGKAKg
and even better (crazy?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NYWI...layer_embedded

Tacet-Conundrum

Well pity that ain't prepped available straight from the factory. That is what we really need; a factory option.

mattipuh

some cars are more prepped to go fast straight from factory, some are not. Don't think it's really biggie if gt3rs is few secs slower around ring than ACR Viper. It's the fun spend it cabin that is more important than some seconds. If you want your car to be faster, then soup it up. Not too difficult. I've understood that gt3rs has been "designed" to be more streetable than ACR viper - is it no wonder that it's slower around track?

actually when there has been different drivers and different teams testing the cars, in different weather, they're not 100% comparable. I highly doubt if GT-R is really that fast like Nissan guys claim, for example. But, it's quite much speculation, without valid and fair testing conditions.

If they would race the cars on track at the same time, and all would be driven with top noch drivers, then comparison would be more realistic.

TRAKCAR

+1 Could not agree more, I go from daily driver to the track with nothing more than removing seat cushions, floor mat and put R compound tires on. The ACR could be driven every day, but would not be as fast on track in street setup. The RS is more expensive, but like someone said, it just feels and smells nicer.. I can live with pointing some Vipers by in the weekend.

mattipuh

And one important point here is that there's nothing more fun than beating a car on a track which should be faster on paper. At this point there's no question which driver is better. ,)