Conclusion after seeing it live: The new GT3 RS will be a classic!
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Thanks for all the nice comments! It was a fabolous experience!
GTEE3: The graphics are decals. I felt it myself! The Porsche Webspecial is wrong on this point. Just the red front, the wheels and the sides on the wing are painted.
Carrera GT: No pics allowed. In fact I was more or less frisked before I could enter the premises. Even had to give them my camera phone...
This time it is not just TC, but a full ESP system (as on the normal GT3). It could help you both when being to eager out of a curve and when getting in trouble in the curve. The system has nothing to do with the normal PSM on the "standard Porsches". Apparently the limit is so high that sometimes the speeds achieved are just too high to be saved, even by the system. Can´t change the laws of nature! For me as a frequent Nürbrugring driver this is one main new feature. That track is very unpredictable and a frequent GT3 "eater".
GTEE3: The graphics are decals. I felt it myself! The Porsche Webspecial is wrong on this point. Just the red front, the wheels and the sides on the wing are painted.
Carrera GT: No pics allowed. In fact I was more or less frisked before I could enter the premises. Even had to give them my camera phone...
This time it is not just TC, but a full ESP system (as on the normal GT3). It could help you both when being to eager out of a curve and when getting in trouble in the curve. The system has nothing to do with the normal PSM on the "standard Porsches". Apparently the limit is so high that sometimes the speeds achieved are just too high to be saved, even by the system. Can´t change the laws of nature! For me as a frequent Nürbrugring driver this is one main new feature. That track is very unpredictable and a frequent GT3 "eater".
#17
Thanks for all the nice comments! It was a fabolous experience!
GTEE3: The graphics are decals. I felt it myself! The Porsche Webspecial is wrong on this point. Just the red front, the wheels and the sides on the wing are painted.
Carrera GT: No pics allowed. In fact I was more or less frisked before I could enter the premises. Even had to give them my camera phone...
This time it is not just TC, but a full ESP system (as on the normal GT3). It could help you both when being to eager out of a curve and when getting in trouble in the curve. The system has nothing to do with the normal PSM on the "standard Porsches". Apparently the limit is so high that sometimes the speeds achieved are just too high to be saved, even by the system. Can´t change the laws of nature! For me as a frequent Nürbrugring driver this is one main new feature. That track is very unpredictable and a frequent GT3 "eater".
GTEE3: The graphics are decals. I felt it myself! The Porsche Webspecial is wrong on this point. Just the red front, the wheels and the sides on the wing are painted.
Carrera GT: No pics allowed. In fact I was more or less frisked before I could enter the premises. Even had to give them my camera phone...
This time it is not just TC, but a full ESP system (as on the normal GT3). It could help you both when being to eager out of a curve and when getting in trouble in the curve. The system has nothing to do with the normal PSM on the "standard Porsches". Apparently the limit is so high that sometimes the speeds achieved are just too high to be saved, even by the system. Can´t change the laws of nature! For me as a frequent Nürbrugring driver this is one main new feature. That track is very unpredictable and a frequent GT3 "eater".
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I had the chance to see, feel and hear the new GT3 RS (grey with red) live in Weissach last Friday and also chat for a while with the team behind the car. Unfortunately we were not allowed to take any pictures.
My impressions of the much debated looks:
- I now love the new look! The car looks really cool with the new graphics and details live! Based on the pictures from the press release I was skeptical of both the grey colour and the graphics (my RS.1. was orange/black), but when you see it live, standing in front of you, it works perfectly. The red for the graphics seems deeper than that on the 996 RS and really stands out from the grey. Very much in your face! The grey is medium dark and solid a completely new Porsche colour apparently. My recommendation until you have seen the car live: Keep the contrasting details/ graphics I dont think you will regret it.
- The wheels, especially the rear ones, are just incredible! With more offset, the 325 tires, in red with the black centre bolt this could very well be coolest wheel I have seen!
- The whole rear part of the car is much rawer than on the 997 RS.1. The wing is not on one plane, but slightly higher in the middle. The air intake behind the rear window is quite a bit larger than the two small ones on the RS.1. It looks more like the air intake on the roof of an Alzen Turbo!
- The interior is quite similar to the RS.1., but the combination effect of the red roll cage, the red RS 3.8 text on the seats, the red seat belts and the red door straps is nice
- You just have to love the door straps!
- I got to see a second car in aqua blue with the wheels in white gold (but no graphics). I was worried that this would look a bit like a Subaru Impreza, but it does not at all. The gold is not yellow as on the press pictures, but whiter and goes very well with the deep blue metallic. Highly recommended! A cool and fresh combination!
Some further information:
- The 245 Cup tires in the front are a completely new development by Michelin with massive grip that in combination with the new chassis will make the car steer in and hold better trough the curves. Quote from the team: The new RS feels like a go kart! The difference between the 997 RS.2. and 997 RS.1. is even larger than the difference between the 997 GT3.1. and the 997 GT3.2. I cant wait to drive it!!!
- The new PSM system was described to me as a white sheet approach to the ESP of a race car. The car will apparently still be honest and predictable and just add that extra little assistance when necessary. Porsches factory drivers are as quick, or quicker with the PSM on even in the dry! And listen to this: They are especially proud of how the PSM works during changing conditions, e.g. when you missed a wet spot on the track, or when one wheel by mistake was placed a few cm into the grass next to the asphalt. Perhaps this will be the end of all the GT3s on the parking lot at the Nürburgring when it rains? Just what I need!
- With the new air intake for the rear brakes underneath the car, the temperature of the brakes is reduced by typically 50 degrees Celsius. The wear of the rear pads is thereby reduced and is now about the same as for the front pads. Finally! Can be retrofitted on the GT3.1. and the RS.1.
- The PCCB and the steel discs are of the same dimension. It requires reprogramming the ABS, but they can be interchanged!
- The new RS 3.8 engine has slightly less torque than the GT3.2. in the low end, but in exchange explodes at the top. With the changed gear ratios and the single mass flywheel this will make the RS.2. more of a race car vs. the GT3.2. and the RS.1. Yihaa!!
I did not get to drive the car, but I was very impressed with what I experienced it feels like a more complete car than the 997 RS.1. I have a feeling that this will be an absolute classic and something that I will keep for a long time: Much improved driving vs. the RS.1., increased safety with ESP e.g. in the wet at the Ring (without losing the fun) and of course the benefit of fresh and more aggressive looks!
I cant wait!
My impressions of the much debated looks:
- I now love the new look! The car looks really cool with the new graphics and details live! Based on the pictures from the press release I was skeptical of both the grey colour and the graphics (my RS.1. was orange/black), but when you see it live, standing in front of you, it works perfectly. The red for the graphics seems deeper than that on the 996 RS and really stands out from the grey. Very much in your face! The grey is medium dark and solid a completely new Porsche colour apparently. My recommendation until you have seen the car live: Keep the contrasting details/ graphics I dont think you will regret it.
- The wheels, especially the rear ones, are just incredible! With more offset, the 325 tires, in red with the black centre bolt this could very well be coolest wheel I have seen!
- The whole rear part of the car is much rawer than on the 997 RS.1. The wing is not on one plane, but slightly higher in the middle. The air intake behind the rear window is quite a bit larger than the two small ones on the RS.1. It looks more like the air intake on the roof of an Alzen Turbo!
- The interior is quite similar to the RS.1., but the combination effect of the red roll cage, the red RS 3.8 text on the seats, the red seat belts and the red door straps is nice
- You just have to love the door straps!
- I got to see a second car in aqua blue with the wheels in white gold (but no graphics). I was worried that this would look a bit like a Subaru Impreza, but it does not at all. The gold is not yellow as on the press pictures, but whiter and goes very well with the deep blue metallic. Highly recommended! A cool and fresh combination!
Some further information:
- The 245 Cup tires in the front are a completely new development by Michelin with massive grip that in combination with the new chassis will make the car steer in and hold better trough the curves. Quote from the team: The new RS feels like a go kart! The difference between the 997 RS.2. and 997 RS.1. is even larger than the difference between the 997 GT3.1. and the 997 GT3.2. I cant wait to drive it!!!
- The new PSM system was described to me as a white sheet approach to the ESP of a race car. The car will apparently still be honest and predictable and just add that extra little assistance when necessary. Porsches factory drivers are as quick, or quicker with the PSM on even in the dry! And listen to this: They are especially proud of how the PSM works during changing conditions, e.g. when you missed a wet spot on the track, or when one wheel by mistake was placed a few cm into the grass next to the asphalt. Perhaps this will be the end of all the GT3s on the parking lot at the Nürburgring when it rains? Just what I need!
- With the new air intake for the rear brakes underneath the car, the temperature of the brakes is reduced by typically 50 degrees Celsius. The wear of the rear pads is thereby reduced and is now about the same as for the front pads. Finally! Can be retrofitted on the GT3.1. and the RS.1.
- The PCCB and the steel discs are of the same dimension. It requires reprogramming the ABS, but they can be interchanged!
- The new RS 3.8 engine has slightly less torque than the GT3.2. in the low end, but in exchange explodes at the top. With the changed gear ratios and the single mass flywheel this will make the RS.2. more of a race car vs. the GT3.2. and the RS.1. Yihaa!!
I did not get to drive the car, but I was very impressed with what I experienced it feels like a more complete car than the 997 RS.1. I have a feeling that this will be an absolute classic and something that I will keep for a long time: Much improved driving vs. the RS.1., increased safety with ESP e.g. in the wet at the Ring (without losing the fun) and of course the benefit of fresh and more aggressive looks!
I cant wait!
and rotor offsets/thicknesses are compatible?
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From what I've read, the TC/SC is the same as the GT2 and the next step is the "vector" logic in the Turbo (PTV seems to be a smarter ABD with stability upgrades ... for those with 993 memories.) As long as these things save the car from a excursion into the scenery without impacting the control a pro driver has over the car, I'm happy to have the safety net.
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about the photos- when I was at weissach with mjspeed in december they not only made us empty out our pockets but also made us hand over wallets and passports. pretty gnarly security but in my mind totally necessary for a company like porsche...just think about how none of us saw that ugly *** mule driving around and knew the "sport classic" ducktail was underneath.
when we were there- we definitely saw and heard this new RS driving around the complex and the race track- it was disguised in plain sight but sounds WAY more aggressive. can't wait for my aqua blue and gold to be delivered!
when we were there- we definitely saw and heard this new RS driving around the complex and the race track- it was disguised in plain sight but sounds WAY more aggressive. can't wait for my aqua blue and gold to be delivered!
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I would think that you still want to turn it off for proper track driving. I do it in the GT2 as despite that it doesn't slow you down much (TC ON) it does not allow full both rears slippage that it is so much fun coming out of corners (and main reason. To drive a GT2 IMO)). With it on itt just feelds that something is wrong with the engine.
hot lap with one of the instructors at the Porsche Sport Driving School.
The rear brake pads were "smoking" blue smoke ... fronts were fine,
I'd suspect that the TC was working pretty hard back there ...
that same car got totalled a little later ... oops
#25
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On my 07 RS I have to turn of TC since it intervenes too early when using R compound tires. Same on a friend's GT2.