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Old 07-04-2007, 06:55 PM
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MSRP: $121,115.

Selling at $121,020.

$2020.99 /mo

$8476.30 total due at start = Tax @7.75%, Document fee ($50), Acquisition fee ($745), First mo. Pmt.

10K miles /year

36 month term

Money Factor: 0.00350

Residual: 60%
Old 07-04-2007, 07:29 PM
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Not bad, but ask for a tax credit to save about 6.65% on signing
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it's decent but far from good.
you are paying $8k+ on day one. drive off should be no more than $3k for this car.
also you have a very high money factor.

eclou, can we get tax credit in CA?
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This can help you compare.

http://www.leaseguide.com/calc.htm
Old 07-04-2007, 09:58 PM
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I don't what the rules are in Kalifornistan, but in TX it is kosher. I got a tax credit on my TT and XC90, and would have gotten one on the GT3 except euro deliver forbids it
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Originally Posted by DrPeter
MSRP: $121,115.

Selling at $121,020.

$2020.99 /mo

$8476.30 total due at start = Tax @7.75%, Document fee ($50), Acquisition fee ($745), First mo. Pmt.

10K miles /year

36 month term

Money Factor: 0.00350

Residual: 60%

10,000 miles a year!!! WTF, I just got my car Dec 20th, I have to drive to Reno this weekend which would mean I would be parking the car until this Dec 20th!! You got to drive these cars men!!
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It's an ok deal, mf could be .0032, but 60%res is good on a 3.
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Well, at least you got a pretty good discount!

Originally Posted by DrPeter
MSRP: $121,115.

Selling at $121,020.
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better than nuthin
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I don't lease, so can someone explain the mf and how that works. I thought the residual of 60% was very good after 3 years.
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Originally Posted by M3Pete
I don't lease, so can someone explain the mf and how that works. I thought the residual of 60% was very good after 3 years.
It is, assuming that they don't rape you on the money factor.
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Originally Posted by M3Pete
I don't lease, so can someone explain the mf and how that works. I thought the residual of 60% was very good after 3 years.
money factor is basically "interest rate" if you will.
take MF x 24 = roughly equivalent of your "rate".

there are many ways to structure it. the residual value is set by the lender and USUALLY not changeable (different lender will have diff residual, for example porsche financial services has higher residual than USB).

variables are capital reduction, pmt, MF, residual. assuming these are changeable you want to structure it to YOUR advantage. usually you dont want to keep the car at lease end. so you want very high residual and low cap reduction and low MF to get you min pmt.

if however, you KNOW you want to buy the car out at end of lease, residual isn't nearly as important. you pay nor or later, just structure it the way you like. usually pay later is better ;-)
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Originally Posted by mooty

if however, you KNOW you want to buy the car out at end of lease, residual isn't nearly as important.
actually i thought the exact opposite was true. if you think you'll want to buy the car out in the end then you are better off looking for a lease with a lower res. but with a lower mf as well. the payment works out the same per month but the car is "worth" less at the end so you don't have as much to cover. porsche uses a high mf but counters that with an inflated res value to keep the payments in line.
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Originally Posted by mooty
it's decent but far from good.
you are paying $8k+ on day one. drive off should be no more than $3k for this car.
also you have a very high money factor.

eclou, can we get tax credit in CA?
Mooty,
Then you have a much higher monthly payment then right?
What do you get for a monthly payment when you drive off with so little cap cost reduction.

(I put a lot into cap cost reduction to get a lower monthly charge)

Thanks,
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Originally Posted by smack
actually i thought the exact opposite was true. if you think you'll want to buy the car out in the end then you are better off looking for a lease with a lower res. but with a lower mf as well. the payment works out the same per month but the car is "worth" less at the end so you don't have as much to cover. porsche uses a high mf but counters that with an inflated res value to keep the payments in line.
you are mixing two things into one.
MF and residual are independent variables, absolutely no relation to one another.
they are both variables you need to arrive at monthly pmt, but as variables they affect the result (pmt), they do not affect each other.

it is true pcna have high residual, then also high rate.

IF GIVEN A CHOICE, no mattter if you plan to buy it at end or not, you want low MF. that's a given.

so now we have fixed the MF, for this discussion.
then assuming i plan to buy at end, i want a very high residual.
one, this gives me min pmt.
two, since i am buying at end, i either pay now (big pmt) or later (big residual), i much rather pay later.


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