Alan Smithee

Well, they are...it's just that laws here (in CA at least) allow for full return of deposits right up to the day of delivery if a customer decides to back out for whatever reason.

Crazy Canuck

My dealer confirmed the RS for '08.

nkhalidi

eclou for Rennlist poet laureate!

There's enough drama on this board to rival junior high.

Bob Rouleau

Chris M - Glad to hear you will get one.

I believe that some dealers ordered cars with a lot of costly and non functional (performance) options to simply make more money.

I believe that PCNA will play an active role in the RS process to discourage speculators and that includes dealers who mysteriously obtained cars which they are selling or trying to sell for way over list price.

The C-GT was ruined by speculators who placed multiple orders at multiple dealers to make sure they got at least one. This mislead PAG into thinking that demand was far higher than it really was.

It would be wise of PCNA to try and ensure that the cars get to real buyers at list and discourage speculation.

Nick - FWIW - I took delivery of my RS and decided to sell my 430. The Porsche is superior in every way but one. My 430 was sold for very very close to what I paid for it (MSRP).. In that regard Ferrari wins hands down.

Crazy Canuck

They confirmed it is coming .... but that is all. They expect 2 or 3. I do have a deposit in for an '08 GT3 or RS but at this point I don't know if I'm going to get an allocation or even if I'll take it should I receive the opportunity to purchase one.

My thinking is keeping my Carrera S and picking up a lightly used 996 GT3 and using it on the track. I keep my nice street car and can modify the 996 for the track and so I can fit in it without rubbing my helmet on the headliner. Keeping my S and picking up a 996 will be less $ than trading in. Something to think about huh?

I'm still not sure what I'm going to do as I have some things to settle at the office before I do anything.

Hopefully more cars go to enthusiasts and not to speculators and poseurs.

Nick

Bob, I would point out that in acceleration, the 430 beats the RS hands down. Additionally, you are comparing a car that is several years old to Porsches latest hard core track car. Though the 430 is a capable track car, it has many other redeeming attributes for fun driving on public roads.

I guess what I am saying is that a car is often more than the sum of its performance statistic's. People like yourself who track cars would find hard core dedicated track cars more to your liking.

Nick

Alan that is not necessarily true. If the car is unique, special ordered and limited production a dealer can keep your deposit in CA.

Flying Finn

Heh, it's funny, when I clicked in, there was a topic saying there won't be more 08 RSs and this thread under it is saying there will.

If you need to know, see a quote from couple months back.

Jack

I believe that the same analysis applies to the 430. Any premium you pay on a new F-car or P-car is lost almost immediately. I only purchased my Stradale and 430 because I could get the cars at MSRP.

Now, if you bought a V-8 Ferrari in recent times (360/430) for MSRP, your depreciation will be limited. I can't say the same for some of my past P-car purchases (GT2 and 996TT), but I still enjoyed those cars immensely.

And, Nick....this car is good.

Jack

Bob,

Me too (sold the 430)....and I agree 100% with your analysis.

Nick

Jack I have no doubt that it is.

Yet the difference in time on the Ring between the now older 430 and the RS is only 8 sec. 7.56 and 7.48. The 8 sec difference can be explained by a number of factors including tires, weather, driver and set up. Most of these car are very close in performance including the Z06 which did the Ring accoding to a recent German magazine test in 7.49.

BTW, regarding paying a premium for a Ferrari and a Porsche, I believe there is a huge difference between the two. Whereas with a Ferrari you limit your depreciation, you also get an opportunity in the future to buy one at MSRP. With a Porsche, paying a premium is no different than lighting a match to the money because it is highly unlikely the car will sell for anywhere near the inflated price.

doc2s

on a porsche yes in addition to normal depreciation. on a 430/360 you would loose some of the markup but still be over msrp in most year models.

krC2S

have to agree

Jack

I agree, as long as the mileage is kept low. Put decent mileage on the F-car and it does depreciate significantly. Don't get me wrong, F-cars are great -- I've had three since 2000 and will probably have more before I'm in the walker.

While all my recent V-8 F-cars have been reasonably reliable, getting timely service and parts is not up to par with Porsche. It seems the service departments at most F-dealers feel that you should leave them the car for several weeks (and be thankful it didn't take months) to resolve reasonably simple issues. I had some defective factory carbon air boxes on my car -- the dealer ordered replacements and they still haven't arrived from Italy, almost two years later. Also, F-cars are just more fragile than P-cars, if you know what I mean.

Just my two cents and probably worth less.

frayed

Well Bob you certainly aren't the first to do exactly that. As you know, a few others preceded you with that same move.

Anyway, have you gotten a chance to compare the feel of the RS vs. the 3?