G3 RS Track Report
05-07-2007, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 03-turbo911
Last friday I went to the track and it was pretty hot. 93 degrees outside tempreture. It's still on stock factory settings but it never even threatened to oversteer. It was very controlable and understeer wasn't pronounced at all. Other than changing the camber, I'm not doing anything else to it.
A friend of mine who's got Cup car experience and has a 996 GT3 Clubsport drove mine and pronounced it perfect. He was amazed at the level of grip and predictability built-in.
A friend of mine who's got Cup car experience and has a 996 GT3 Clubsport drove mine and pronounced it perfect. He was amazed at the level of grip and predictability built-in.
05-07-2007, 10:38 PM
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I'm glad to hear that your car is perfect, but then you are part of the ROW, I think this gives more credence to my theory that the car has been severely dumbed down for the litigious side of the Atlantic. Porsche is afraid that we may bump our head on the roll cage, get stuck in the bucket seats and inadvertently deploy the fire system and then crash the car and sue them. Or not be able to figure out how to start the car after the battery cut-off has been pulled. Also heaven forbid we should stub a toe on the rear cage mounts, while getting in the back to clean the glass rear window, and break a toe nail.
I'm glad to hear that your car is perfect, but then you are part of the ROW, I think this gives more credence to my theory that the car has been severely dumbed down for the litigious side of the Atlantic. Porsche is afraid that we may bump our head on the roll cage, get stuck in the bucket seats and inadvertently deploy the fire system and then crash the car and sue them. Or not be able to figure out how to start the car after the battery cut-off has been pulled. Also heaven forbid we should stub a toe on the rear cage mounts, while getting in the back to clean the glass rear window, and break a toe nail.
05-07-2007, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Racerron
03-turbo911
I'm glad to hear that your car is perfect, but then you are part of the ROW, I think this gives more credence to my theory that the car has been severely dumbed down for the litigious side of the Atlantic. Porsche is afraid that we may bump our head on the roll cage, get stuck in the bucket seats and inadvertently deploy the fire system and then crash the car and sue them. Or not be able to figure out how to start the car after the battery cut-off has been pulled. Also heaven forbid we should stub a toe on the rear cage mounts, while getting in the back to clean the glass rear window, and break a toe nail.
I'm glad to hear that your car is perfect, but then you are part of the ROW, I think this gives more credence to my theory that the car has been severely dumbed down for the litigious side of the Atlantic. Porsche is afraid that we may bump our head on the roll cage, get stuck in the bucket seats and inadvertently deploy the fire system and then crash the car and sue them. Or not be able to figure out how to start the car after the battery cut-off has been pulled. Also heaven forbid we should stub a toe on the rear cage mounts, while getting in the back to clean the glass rear window, and break a toe nail.
05-07-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Racerron
03-turbo911
I'm glad to hear that your car is perfect, but then you are part of the ROW, I think this gives more credence to my theory that the car has been severely dumbed down for the litigious side of the Atlantic. Porsche is afraid that we may bump our head on the roll cage, get stuck in the bucket seats and inadvertently deploy the fire system and then crash the car and sue them. Or not be able to figure out how to start the car after the battery cut-off has been pulled. Also heaven forbid we should stub a toe on the rear cage mounts, while getting in the back to clean the glass rear window, and break a toe nail.
I'm glad to hear that your car is perfect, but then you are part of the ROW, I think this gives more credence to my theory that the car has been severely dumbed down for the litigious side of the Atlantic. Porsche is afraid that we may bump our head on the roll cage, get stuck in the bucket seats and inadvertently deploy the fire system and then crash the car and sue them. Or not be able to figure out how to start the car after the battery cut-off has been pulled. Also heaven forbid we should stub a toe on the rear cage mounts, while getting in the back to clean the glass rear window, and break a toe nail.
i understand your frustration but it's just an issue of car setup..the missing stuff are DOT 's fault not porsche's
05-07-2007, 10:50 PM
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[QUOTE=mooty]why did ron only put -1.5up front?
I drive my cars a lot on the street and I found this to be a very good compromise. Just enough camber for the track and not enough to wear the tires too badly on the inside for the street.
I have used this setting on my 996GT3 since new and found it to suit me fine and of course no understeer issues with that baby.
I have to say though that the sound track on the RS is a rear joy and the engine is awesome, unfortunately the compliments stop there.
I drive my cars a lot on the street and I found this to be a very good compromise. Just enough camber for the track and not enough to wear the tires too badly on the inside for the street.
I have used this setting on my 996GT3 since new and found it to suit me fine and of course no understeer issues with that baby.
I have to say though that the sound track on the RS is a rear joy and the engine is awesome, unfortunately the compliments stop there.
05-07-2007, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by krC2S
i understand your frustration but it's just an issue of car setup..the missing stuff are DOT 's fault not porsche's
05-07-2007, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Racerron
The 996GT3 didn't need set-up it was good to go right out of the box, except for a good alignment. I've never touched the anti-roll bars from the factory settings, they were perfect for me.
05-08-2007, 12:01 AM
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[QUOTE=Racerron]
fwiw stock street alignment specs are -1.33 deg. for front camber not far from -1.5deg. the 7 might need a very different setup than the 6.
Originally Posted by mooty
why did ron only put -1.5up front?
I drive my cars a lot on the street and I found this to be a very good compromise. Just enough camber for the track and not enough to wear the tires too badly on the inside for the street.
I have used this setting on my 996GT3 since new and found it to suit me fine and of course no understeer issues with that baby.
I have to say though that the sound track on the RS is a rear joy and the engine is awesome, unfortunately the compliments stop there.
I drive my cars a lot on the street and I found this to be a very good compromise. Just enough camber for the track and not enough to wear the tires too badly on the inside for the street.
I have used this setting on my 996GT3 since new and found it to suit me fine and of course no understeer issues with that baby.
I have to say though that the sound track on the RS is a rear joy and the engine is awesome, unfortunately the compliments stop there.
05-08-2007, 08:47 AM
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Ron spent half is week-end laying on the asphalt trying to dial in the car. Not fun at all when you just spent a huge amount of money for a "perfect car". Hey Ron, what was it again; even if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig!!
05-08-2007, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by doc2s
i would suggest that you take your car to the shop and read out the "current" alignment specs to see if things have migrated. this will give you a reference to how to change things. if toe has changes and is uneven on both sides the car would not want to rotate. did you do a ride height check and corner balance? sometimes cars don't come from the factory the way they should.
a small toe out in the front 2' to 3' would help and would not be excessive for street. if you are worried about tire wear on the street -3deg is a lot.
can you post pics of your fr/rr tires?
watch the later part of this video of a 997gt3 (MaxT from rennteam). the driver at the time had -2.8deg camber in the front and -2.5 deg. in the back. as you will see he would create oversteer at corner entry so the understeer problem you experience is not inherent to the 997 chassis it's likely has to do with setup. he was also running stock tires.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lZYz5L53jgU
here is MaxT etup details from oen of his posts "camber is -2.8" front and -2.5" rear and I had to use the spacer kit from Porsche Motorsport on the front to get those levels of camber. Car was lowered 1 cm at the front and slightly less at the rear. Swaybars are now one position harder on the front and 1 position softer on the rear."
not sure what sway bar settings are referenced to. may be stock.
a small toe out in the front 2' to 3' would help and would not be excessive for street. if you are worried about tire wear on the street -3deg is a lot.
can you post pics of your fr/rr tires?
watch the later part of this video of a 997gt3 (MaxT from rennteam). the driver at the time had -2.8deg camber in the front and -2.5 deg. in the back. as you will see he would create oversteer at corner entry so the understeer problem you experience is not inherent to the 997 chassis it's likely has to do with setup. he was also running stock tires.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lZYz5L53jgU
here is MaxT etup details from oen of his posts "camber is -2.8" front and -2.5" rear and I had to use the spacer kit from Porsche Motorsport on the front to get those levels of camber. Car was lowered 1 cm at the front and slightly less at the rear. Swaybars are now one position harder on the front and 1 position softer on the rear."
not sure what sway bar settings are referenced to. may be stock.
Additionally his bar settings (if from stock) should not produce the footage that we are seeing on this video. I'm really confused by this information.
05-08-2007, 10:32 AM
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Max was just fooking around. He was doing big driftin' on an open lapping day for fun; and understeery RWD car can be drifted, just as one with oversteer can be. You can't conclude anything from that video.
05-08-2007, 11:29 AM
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apex,
as i mentioned in the earlier post the point of the video is not to advocate maxt driving as the FAST way around the track and nor to question whether you could drive this way if you wanted. the video was in response to your comment on experiencing excessive understeer from corner entry to track out the whole event depite trying to get the tail loose. that is why i pointed to it being an issues with car setup in my previous post.
did you find out what your sway bar settings were?
as i mentioned in the earlier post the point of the video is not to advocate maxt driving as the FAST way around the track and nor to question whether you could drive this way if you wanted. the video was in response to your comment on experiencing excessive understeer from corner entry to track out the whole event depite trying to get the tail loose. that is why i pointed to it being an issues with car setup in my previous post.
did you find out what your sway bar settings were?