The ad nauseum speculation of whether or not there will be add'l RS's
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prompts me to ask: If in fact there will be 30 or so "bonus" RS's bringing the total US allocation to 259 units; how can there be add'l units if the sunroof-less 997 bodies have yet to be crash tested?
Is it just hearsay that the lack of a crash test is the rate limiting factor in total production of US bound units?
If they do crash test the 997 w/o a sunroof and thus allow further allocations to be had; what will the current scores of base 997 GT3 buyers have to say about the subsequent cars coming with crash tested bodies and the forseeable option of having a sunroof or not in future 997 GT3 orders?
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Is it just hearsay that the lack of a crash test is the rate limiting factor in total production of US bound units?
If they do crash test the 997 w/o a sunroof and thus allow further allocations to be had; what will the current scores of base 997 GT3 buyers have to say about the subsequent cars coming with crash tested bodies and the forseeable option of having a sunroof or not in future 997 GT3 orders?
Articulated comments appreciated.
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I, for one, couldn't care less if they do make sunroof delete an option for the GT-3. It won't diminish the value of my sunroofed car to me. I consider myself to be a very competent driver and can't imagine I would notice any performance difference without the hole. I am not worried about resale value. I would think that the majority of buyers of this car will be using it on the street for almost all of its miles and might be tempted to open the sunroof once in a while (so long as nobody is looking!).
I do wish I had the opportunity to buy an RS instead of the GT-3 though as the rear carrier and suspension would be noticable. The weight difference is a joke.
I do wish I had the opportunity to buy an RS instead of the GT-3 though as the rear carrier and suspension would be noticable. The weight difference is a joke.
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Perhaps 2% of GT3 buyers in the US are on this forum. However, I have read many posts before the cars hit the street, stating their dislike of the sunroof. Then again, people still buy the car becasue they really have no choice.
If '08 GT3 can be had without the sunroof, it will be more desirable.
If '08 GT3 can be had without the sunroof, it will be more desirable.
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Originally Posted by ///Mous3
Perhaps 2% of GT3 buyers in the US are on this forum. However, I have read many posts before the cars hit the street, stating their dislike of the sunroof. Then again, people still buy the car becasue they really have no choice.
If '08 GT3 can be had without the sunroof, it will be more desirable.
If '08 GT3 can be had without the sunroof, it will be more desirable.
But of course, if I had the choice, it would be no sunroof!
Then again maybe next year there will be a sunroof delete option on the GT-3 with the newly improved TC, namely PSM!!!
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Originally Posted by carrering
I think there is more than 11 GT3 buyers here. considering there are 588 GT3's this year I would say Rennlisters make up 10-15%!
I've been keeping track, and I believe there are about 70 USA RS buyers here and about 10 ROW RS buyers here.
Close to 1/3 of the RSs in the USA are on Rennlist.
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Originally Posted by mitch236
I, for one, couldn't care less if they do make sunroof delete an option for the GT-3. It won't diminish the value of my sunroofed car to me. I consider myself to be a very competent driver and can't imagine I would notice any performance difference without the hole. I am not worried about resale value. I would think that the majority of buyers of this car will be using it on the street for almost all of its miles and might be tempted to open the sunroof once in a while (so long as nobody is looking!). . .
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Originally Posted by carrering
I think there is more than 11 GT3 buyers here. considering there are 588 GT3's this year I would say Rennlisters make up 10-15%!
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Originally Posted by ///Mous3
11/588 = 0.0187 and that is less than 2%.
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Wait till you do. It is intoxicating!
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Originally Posted by leif997
...how can there be add'l units if the sunroof-less 997 bodies have yet to be crash tested?
Is it just hearsay that the lack of a crash test is the rate limiting factor in total production of US bound units?
Is it just hearsay that the lack of a crash test is the rate limiting factor in total production of US bound units?
Although if this is the case, I'm surprised the two cars weren't differentiated further; the GT3 with a rear seat option, for instance, and the RS strictly hard-core (not available with any luxury options, like the 996 GT3).
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
I believe the answer is 'yes', crash testing has never been the issue. Since we don't get the GT3 RS in 'club sport' spec like the ROW, the GT3's mandatory sunroof makes the RS that much more attractive as the ultimate 997 GT3 track car.
Although if this is the case, I'm surprised the two cars weren't differentiated further; the GT3 with a rear seat option, for instance, and the RS strictly hard-core (not available with any luxury options, like the 996 GT3).
Although if this is the case, I'm surprised the two cars weren't differentiated further; the GT3 with a rear seat option, for instance, and the RS strictly hard-core (not available with any luxury options, like the 996 GT3).
Alan, If I follow your line of reasoning correctly, then it seems that we can infer that the whole sunroof / crashtest issue was a marketing ploy to sell more RS's as the ultimate GT3?
Obviously, the "hole" has not presented a problem for the base GT3 sales as allocations are not all that common and are all but sold out. The RS paucity has generated some interesting speculations on multiple levels of resale values. Do you feel that PAG has purposely mislead their intended target group to generate pre-sales hype and then will spring upon the masses an X number of RS's to satisfy market demand?
What does this say about the RSR homologation issues that the RS was purported to be built upon?
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Originally Posted by leif997
Alan, If I follow your line of reasoning correctly, then it seems that we can infer that the whole sunroof / crashtest issue was a marketing ploy to sell more RS's as the ultimate GT3?
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Originally Posted by leif997
Obviously, the "hole" has not presented a problem for the base GT3 sales as allocations are not all that common and are all but sold out. The RS paucity has generated some interesting speculations on multiple levels of resale values. Do you feel that PAG has purposely mislead their intended target group to generate pre-sales hype and then will spring upon the masses an X number of RS's to satisfy market demand?
Originally Posted by leif997
What does this say about the RSR homologation issues that the RS was purported to be built upon?
speak upon this!
speak upon this!
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Originally Posted by leif997
...then it seems that we can infer that the whole sunroof / crashtest issue was a marketing ploy to sell more RS's as the ultimate GT3?
All opinions, of course...but, yes, since we don't get all of the real RS parts, for the US market, that's what I think...a GT3 and GT3 RSA, if you will. I doubt any of the US production has anything to do with homologation.