RK1

Riz,
You can get your self a late model 996 Cup for less or go all the way and get a 997 Cup for a bit more. :-) A little bit more.

K1

Riz

I really did not want to flip the car for a profit. Couple of the guys after me on the list are Porsche nuts anyway, so they were happy. I did not even think to post it for fellow Rennlisters - well maybe next time. I'll look into the X50 version of the 997tt or GT2 when it comes out.

malammik

I dont approve of such activity but by no means decry it either as I believe a lot more in free economy than in some sort of a form of a "porsche socialism". When I was growing up in former Soviet Union, my parents had to wait for 9 years to BUY a government built 3-bedroom apartment and that was considered quicker than average. If you see no analogy, let me know and I can elaborate. I also recommend reading this article which talks about how European car makers figured out first to keep supplies on the shorter side to increase profits.

This is from WSJ.

Big Dealer to Detroit:
Fix How You Make Cars
AutoNation CEO Sees
Inventories Rising Fast;
The Big-Wheel Problem
By NEAL E. BOUDETTE
February 9, 2007;

Finally, in Porsche's defense. Yes they are a small car maker that does not have huge GM production capability but they are still in the business of making cars for profit AND we do not see that much shortage for any other model so they could pull some resources from other places.

JS

This is the first I have heard of.
Im shocked.

SciFrog

Probably not the last with the latest NBR lap times...

Hopefully all the flippers will get burned too.

Too bad P dropped the ball on the RS, their moto for ALL their cars should be: "buy them, we will build them". There should be no waiting list to spend your hard earned cash (boo F)...

allegretto

It is a car, not a home. It's Porsche, not the USSR.

Fellas, they're not some sort of closet Socialists becuse they don't build "enough" RS's. They are in Germany, so perhaps they do believe in a racemic mixture of Socialism and Democracy but lets not wax too philisophically here.

It is a car, not a way of life or political system.

The sun never sets on worldwide speculation any more. Many commodoties float on market demand. This is but one. No heinous plot that I can see.

Bob Rouleau

Has anyone considered that the probem is in part related to speculators? Consider what speculators did to the Carrera GT. Porsche must have been traumatized.

When the 996 GT3 came out, supply was less than demand. Quite a few bought the car for the wrong reasons and within months of arrival numerous cars changed hands.

The GT3 has broader appeal and I suspect most will satisfy their owners, unlike the 996 GT3 which was too uncivilized for many.

Porsche has no doubt figured out how many hard core track nuts are out there who really want an RS for its intrinsic value. Time will tell if they calculated correctly.

If anyone has experience with any mid engine Ferarri, the RS situation will be familiar. The 430 had (perhaps still does) waiting lists longer than the expected production run.

Regards,

RR

Mallammik,

Sorry but your Porsche/USSR argument just doesn't fly.

The US has more RS's available per capita than Canada has, and we don't see speculation in Canada.

What's the difference then? The US dealers are allowed to sell above MSRP.
In Canada it is against the law to sell above MSRP.

malammik

Forget the USSR. Let me make it very simple. Short supply in combination with high demand will create secondary markets, that's the nature of free economy whether you and I like it or not. You can't blame people for wanting RSes - its an awesome car, so PAG should've built more. If they REALLY wanted to build more RSes, they would make fewer Boxters and Caymans which I know are not made in the same factory as 911s and GT3s but still. PAG is not some sort of a small family owned business that makes you favor buy building you a car. It is a seriously profitable enterprise. They could certainly build more if they cared about the needs and desires of every customer as they do about their own profits.

P.S.
Hope this thread is not annoying anyone. If it does let me know and I will get off my soap box.

mitch236

That is a contradiction

Max Power

What PAG could do, which wouldn't cost them a penny, and would alleviate the pain and suffering and sleepless nights of those of us still hoping to order a RS, would be to simply say "we are gonna make 229 at first, if they sell and we hear from the dealers that there's still demand, we'll build more in 2008"

That would curtail the speculators and flippers, and would not change the fact that the first batch of 229 were sold out before they were officially announced.

mitch236

Porsche is a for profit company. They are keeping demand high by not releasing any information about any RS's in '08. Let's face it, if the demand is there, they will continue to make them. I don't care what excuse you can fabricate as to why they won't, Porsche would have alot of explaining to its stock holders why they didn't sell an additional 300 high profit cars when they could have. For a small company, that is alot of profit. What is unknown is how high is real demand? Could they really sell an additional 300 RS's next year? That is what none of us here knows. Porsche doesn't even know that for sure, but they have a much better idea than we do.

RR

Malmmik,

It's Porsche's company and they can do whatever they want. If they want to build 10 cars - they'll only build ten. It's not like consumers don't have other options. They can go buy a Benz, a 430, a BMW. I think you need to take an economics course.

Your thinking would only make sense if 2 things happened:

1. We all lived in a country called Communism.
2. And Porsche was the only car manufacturer in that country and they only built one model - the RS - and if it's citizens wanted to buy a car they would only be allowed to purchase a car from Porsche and it would bviously have to be an RS.

Then and only then would your arguement make sense.

Bluehinder

Passing on the car makes sense to me. It's largely a decaled GT3 in US form. It will never bring the collector value many are hoping for. Get a GT3, save the money, and enjoy it.

malammik

I agree with you. But then do not complain that people are flipping cars because they can only do so because PAG did not make enough or at least did not make everyone feel that if he wanted one, he would be able to buy one.