PCNA Press Release on GT3 RS
02-13-2007, 04:04 PM
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This is a fun quote:
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Yet while wider, and slightly longer, the GT3 RS weighs only 3031 pounds with a full tank of fuel, or 44 pounds less than the already lightweight GT3.
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So the GT3 weighs 3075lb according to PCNA (morons) but in reality, weighs in around 3300lbs+ ... that makes the RS a portly 3250lbs+ ... oh dear ...
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Yet while wider, and slightly longer, the GT3 RS weighs only 3031 pounds with a full tank of fuel, or 44 pounds less than the already lightweight GT3.
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So the GT3 weighs 3075lb according to PCNA (morons) but in reality, weighs in around 3300lbs+ ... that makes the RS a portly 3250lbs+ ... oh dear ...
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02-13-2007, 05:13 PM
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I could edit my post, but to keep the continuity of the thread, I'll correct myself by noting the Excellence review weighed the 997 GT3 on race scales at Fly Lizard with a full tank. The car had factory sports seats (not "adaptive") with PCCB and PCM, but not full leather.
In fact, removing a single sports seat removes 52lbs. A 996 GT3 seat with sliders weighs 30lbs. That's about 100lbs deleted and 30lbs installed; net 70lbs reduction. Given or take a couple of lbs for rear shelf carpets, the 996 is around perhaps 50lbs lighter (and it has no sunroof) based on the weigh-in on the day. It certainly feels like a lot more than 50lbs when they're on the track in back to back comparison.
Anyhoot, it's just frustratingly useless to have the marketing dopes at the local distributor unable to report simple facts without such a margin of error as to make the reports useless. It's like coming in off your best hot lap and having the timer report your time to the nearest tenth. Good enough, right?
Our times are also affected by the fact that Green’s GT3 is a bit of a ringer. A lightweight Euro GT3 bucket seat on one side and no seat on the passenger’s side probably removes 65-80 pounds from his 996 GT3. No carpeting in the rear-seat area can’t hurt, either. It’s no surprise to learn Green’s GT3 weighs 3,080 pounds with a full tank to the 997 GT3’s 3,218 when we put both 911s on the Flying Lizard Motor-sports scales.
In fact, removing a single sports seat removes 52lbs. A 996 GT3 seat with sliders weighs 30lbs. That's about 100lbs deleted and 30lbs installed; net 70lbs reduction. Given or take a couple of lbs for rear shelf carpets, the 996 is around perhaps 50lbs lighter (and it has no sunroof) based on the weigh-in on the day. It certainly feels like a lot more than 50lbs when they're on the track in back to back comparison.
Anyhoot, it's just frustratingly useless to have the marketing dopes at the local distributor unable to report simple facts without such a margin of error as to make the reports useless. It's like coming in off your best hot lap and having the timer report your time to the nearest tenth. Good enough, right?
02-13-2007, 05:40 PM
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hedious i didn't know that they explicitly stated these numbers with full tank!
just thought they had it in the website under curb weight 3075 and they can later say we define curb weight as with little fuel
just thought they had it in the website under curb weight 3075 and they can later say we define curb weight as with little fuel
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02-13-2007, 08:46 PM
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GT3 RS weight...
GT3 RS weight...
Exce11ence magazine had an interesting question for Andreas Preuninger:
(Q) "What does the new RS weigh - and why doesn't it save more weight?"
(A) "Our customers ask about weight. Our customers think the car is much heavier at its published weight of 1375kg (3031 pounds). We quote the GT3 RS in dry weight specifications at 1170kg (2579 pounds) without fuel, coolant, or oil. But as is carries 90 litres of petrol at 70kg (154 pounds), 30 litres of coolant is another 30kg (66 pounds) of weight. There is 15 litres of oil for 11kg (24.25 pounds), 2kg (4.4 pounds) of hydraulic fluid, 7 litres, or 7kg of windshield washing fluid, and, finally, the air-conditioning and its 20 litres of refrigerant. The A/C adds 20kg (44 pounds). So when we take out all liquid weights from the GT3, it is only 1250kg (2755 pounds), 80kg (176 pounds) more than the RS. The old 996 GT3 weighed 1360kg (2998 pounds) without air-conditioning - and we think the A/C makes you a safer driver.
You know, at Porsche, one of our biggest concerns is weight. Even with its engin performance, the car is surprisingly fuel efficient. The GT3 averages below 10 litre / 100km at 120km/h (23.5mpg at 75mph). To get the same efficiency, you have to choose a Golf GTi! But here we have built a car that will drive 300km/h with the air-conditioning on! The RS and GT3 also must be as safe as normal Carrera models. We won't put our customers at risk. Front impact standards for the 996 were 54km/h (34mph). The 997 must accept a 64km/h (40mph) front crash. The difference is enormous."
(Thanks to Exce11ence!)
Cheers,
GTS
Exce11ence magazine had an interesting question for Andreas Preuninger:
(Q) "What does the new RS weigh - and why doesn't it save more weight?"
(A) "Our customers ask about weight. Our customers think the car is much heavier at its published weight of 1375kg (3031 pounds). We quote the GT3 RS in dry weight specifications at 1170kg (2579 pounds) without fuel, coolant, or oil. But as is carries 90 litres of petrol at 70kg (154 pounds), 30 litres of coolant is another 30kg (66 pounds) of weight. There is 15 litres of oil for 11kg (24.25 pounds), 2kg (4.4 pounds) of hydraulic fluid, 7 litres, or 7kg of windshield washing fluid, and, finally, the air-conditioning and its 20 litres of refrigerant. The A/C adds 20kg (44 pounds). So when we take out all liquid weights from the GT3, it is only 1250kg (2755 pounds), 80kg (176 pounds) more than the RS. The old 996 GT3 weighed 1360kg (2998 pounds) without air-conditioning - and we think the A/C makes you a safer driver.
You know, at Porsche, one of our biggest concerns is weight. Even with its engin performance, the car is surprisingly fuel efficient. The GT3 averages below 10 litre / 100km at 120km/h (23.5mpg at 75mph). To get the same efficiency, you have to choose a Golf GTi! But here we have built a car that will drive 300km/h with the air-conditioning on! The RS and GT3 also must be as safe as normal Carrera models. We won't put our customers at risk. Front impact standards for the 996 were 54km/h (34mph). The 997 must accept a 64km/h (40mph) front crash. The difference is enormous."
(Thanks to Exce11ence!)
Cheers,
GTS
02-14-2007, 12:46 AM
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What I find strange (in fact ironic) about this is that Porsche is usually so conservative with their figures. For example, 0-60 times and horsepower ratings are almost always understated. So, why are they so aggressive with the weight figures? There must be a good reason, e.g., compliance with various laws, etc.
02-14-2007, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Boxster Coupe GTS
GT3 RS weight...
Exce11ence magazine had an interesting question for Andreas Preuninger:
(Q) "What does the new RS weigh - and why doesn't it save more weight?"
(A) "Our customers ask about weight. Our customers think the car is much heavier at its published weight of 1375kg (3031 pounds). We quote the GT3 RS in dry weight specifications at 1170kg (2579 pounds) without fuel, coolant, or oil. But as is carries 90 litres of petrol at 70kg (154 pounds), 30 litres of coolant is another 30kg (66 pounds) of weight. There is 15 litres of oil for 11kg (24.25 pounds), 2kg (4.4 pounds) of hydraulic fluid, 7 litres, or 7kg of windshield washing fluid, and, finally, the air-conditioning and its 20 litres of refrigerant. The A/C adds 20kg (44 pounds). So when we take out all liquid weights from the GT3, it is only 1250kg (2755 pounds), 80kg (176 pounds) more than the RS. The old 996 GT3 weighed 1360kg (2998 pounds) without air-conditioning - and we think the A/C makes you a safer driver.
You know, at Porsche, one of our biggest concerns is weight. Even with its engin performance, the car is surprisingly fuel efficient. The GT3 averages below 10 litre / 100km at 120km/h (23.5mpg at 75mph). To get the same efficiency, you have to choose a Golf GTi! But here we have built a car that will drive 300km/h with the air-conditioning on! The RS and GT3 also must be as safe as normal Carrera models. We won't put our customers at risk. Front impact standards for the 996 were 54km/h (34mph). The 997 must accept a 64km/h (40mph) front crash. The difference is enormous."
(Thanks to Exce11ence!)
Cheers,
GTS
Exce11ence magazine had an interesting question for Andreas Preuninger:
(Q) "What does the new RS weigh - and why doesn't it save more weight?"
(A) "Our customers ask about weight. Our customers think the car is much heavier at its published weight of 1375kg (3031 pounds). We quote the GT3 RS in dry weight specifications at 1170kg (2579 pounds) without fuel, coolant, or oil. But as is carries 90 litres of petrol at 70kg (154 pounds), 30 litres of coolant is another 30kg (66 pounds) of weight. There is 15 litres of oil for 11kg (24.25 pounds), 2kg (4.4 pounds) of hydraulic fluid, 7 litres, or 7kg of windshield washing fluid, and, finally, the air-conditioning and its 20 litres of refrigerant. The A/C adds 20kg (44 pounds). So when we take out all liquid weights from the GT3, it is only 1250kg (2755 pounds), 80kg (176 pounds) more than the RS. The old 996 GT3 weighed 1360kg (2998 pounds) without air-conditioning - and we think the A/C makes you a safer driver.
You know, at Porsche, one of our biggest concerns is weight. Even with its engin performance, the car is surprisingly fuel efficient. The GT3 averages below 10 litre / 100km at 120km/h (23.5mpg at 75mph). To get the same efficiency, you have to choose a Golf GTi! But here we have built a car that will drive 300km/h with the air-conditioning on! The RS and GT3 also must be as safe as normal Carrera models. We won't put our customers at risk. Front impact standards for the 996 were 54km/h (34mph). The 997 must accept a 64km/h (40mph) front crash. The difference is enormous."
(Thanks to Exce11ence!)
Cheers,
GTS
Can I have Andreas Preuninger standing next to me when a GT3 or GT3RS is sitting on scales... Please?
Pretty please with sugar on the top?
02-20-2007, 12:39 AM
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Picked up today what might be the first piece of literature on the GT3 RS in the United States: a new full-line brochure entitled "There is No Substitute -- The Porsche Models" -- it contains info on the GT3 and GT3 RS. Some interesting info:
-- The "Curb Weight" of the RS is listed at 3,031 lbs (GT3 figure is 3,075 lbs)
-- The "Gross Vehicle Weight" of the RS is listed at 3,704 lbs (same figure is listed for the GT3)
-- Statement from the description of the RS: "The RS cuts about 44 pounds off a 911 GT3 -- a weight loss achieved in numerous small ways, from the use of the single mass flywheel to the deletion of a sunroof."
I find this statement very interesting -- seems to validate the theory that the GT3 has a mandatory sunroof solely to make it heavier (as compared to the RS).
-- The "Curb Weight" of the RS is listed at 3,031 lbs (GT3 figure is 3,075 lbs)
-- The "Gross Vehicle Weight" of the RS is listed at 3,704 lbs (same figure is listed for the GT3)
-- Statement from the description of the RS: "The RS cuts about 44 pounds off a 911 GT3 -- a weight loss achieved in numerous small ways, from the use of the single mass flywheel to the deletion of a sunroof."
I find this statement very interesting -- seems to validate the theory that the GT3 has a mandatory sunroof solely to make it heavier (as compared to the RS).
02-20-2007, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RR
what is the explicit definition of curb weight? Anyone know?
