Bi xenons Question
12-28-2006, 11:41 PM
#16
GT3 player par excellence
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Originally Posted by leif997
already e-mailed him re this...said its not in the plans but I don't see how it would be that difficult; he already makes plugs for every other hole on the car.
12-29-2006, 12:15 AM
#17
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by mooty
probably b/c it would be a hardsell and only those who are as insane as we are would give a sh*t about the nipple.
12-29-2006, 09:00 AM
#18
Instructor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 157
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Carrera GT
And the chrome nipples are pretty bad on most paint choices, but could be removed and maybe that's another business opportunity for Eric the "got plugs" guy. On a white car, they're not too odd. On a black car, they look very much like an after-thought.
Cheers,
12-29-2006, 11:49 AM
#19
GT3 player par excellence
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Originally Posted by leif997
I'm betting the key-hole plug can be modified to obturate the void left by a removed nipple...not sure on the diameter discrepancy
i have the key hole plug and ust tried it on my gayman's nipple (sheet that sure doesnt' sound right :-), the dia of the key hole plug needs to be bigger and the backing of the plug has to be much much bigger for it to work on the nipple holes.
ugh.
12-29-2006, 12:03 PM
#20
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by mooty
needs to be bigger.
i have the key hole plug and ust tried it on my gayman's nipple (sheet that sure doesnt' sound right :-), the dia of the key hole plug needs to be bigger and the backing of the plug has to be much much bigger for it to work on the nipple holes.
ugh.
i have the key hole plug and ust tried it on my gayman's nipple (sheet that sure doesnt' sound right :-), the dia of the key hole plug needs to be bigger and the backing of the plug has to be much much bigger for it to work on the nipple holes.
ugh.
12-29-2006, 04:15 PM
#21
The Rebel
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
If they don't have self leveling then there wouldn't be a need for the nipples...
Nipples are required for Xenon/HID's because the US Gov't is afraid and theorizes that if the lense of a car equiped with Xenons/HID's, were to have a "dirty" area on it, it would cause the self leveling system to either "push" the light up which would be dangerous for on-coming traffic or down which would negate lighting in that corner of the car. Hence the nipple to wash the lense.
Nipples are required for Xenon/HID's because the US Gov't is afraid and theorizes that if the lense of a car equiped with Xenons/HID's, were to have a "dirty" area on it, it would cause the self leveling system to either "push" the light up which would be dangerous for on-coming traffic or down which would negate lighting in that corner of the car. Hence the nipple to wash the lense.
12-29-2006, 04:53 PM
#22
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Originally Posted by MJSpeed
If they don't have self leveling then there wouldn't be a need for the nipples...
Nipples are required for Xenon/HID's because the US Gov't is afraid and theorizes that if the lense of a car equiped with Xenons/HID's, were to have a "dirty" area on it, it would cause the self leveling system to either "push" the light up which would be dangerous for on-coming traffic or down which would negate lighting in that corner of the car. Hence the nipple to wash the lense.
Nipples are required for Xenon/HID's because the US Gov't is afraid and theorizes that if the lense of a car equiped with Xenons/HID's, were to have a "dirty" area on it, it would cause the self leveling system to either "push" the light up which would be dangerous for on-coming traffic or down which would negate lighting in that corner of the car. Hence the nipple to wash the lense.
Thats the nuttest explaniton I've ener heard
12-30-2006, 06:21 AM
#24
Drifting
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Munich
Posts: 2,722
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by leif997
"key holes...gayman's nipples....hole plugs....nipple holes......" YIKES! where is this thread headed?
R+C
12-30-2006, 12:57 PM
#26
Instructor
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Washington, D.C.
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by MJSpeed
If they don't have self leveling then there wouldn't be a need for the nipples...
Nipples are required for Xenon/HID's because the US Gov't is afraid and theorizes that if the lense of a car equiped with Xenons/HID's, were to have a "dirty" area on it, it would cause the self leveling system to either "push" the light up which would be dangerous for on-coming traffic or down which would negate lighting in that corner of the car. Hence the nipple to wash the lense.
Nipples are required for Xenon/HID's because the US Gov't is afraid and theorizes that if the lense of a car equiped with Xenons/HID's, were to have a "dirty" area on it, it would cause the self leveling system to either "push" the light up which would be dangerous for on-coming traffic or down which would negate lighting in that corner of the car. Hence the nipple to wash the lense.
K1
12-30-2006, 05:15 PM
#27
Rennlist Member
Why not order the car w/ the standard lights, and then retro fit RS factory Zenons, and ditch the washers etc.?
Saves the cost of painting the nips, and the clean line of the bumper....
Saves the cost of painting the nips, and the clean line of the bumper....
12-30-2006, 05:39 PM
#28
Originally Posted by GTEE3
Why not order the car w/ the standard lights, and then retro fit RS factory Zenons, and ditch the washers etc.?
Saves the cost of painting the nips, and the clean line of the bumper....
Saves the cost of painting the nips, and the clean line of the bumper....
There's some hurdles.
Additional wiring, maybe some ECU tweaks, suspension position sensor and whatever else happens along the way as far as unforeseen obstacles.
If the Xenons use the positions sensors in PASM, that would significantly reduce the retrofit effort.
If the ballasts and wiring is simple pig-tails to existing wiring, great, if the factory wiring is somehow different (in placement, routing) it might require some fiddling that would be easy on the production line, but could require hours of painstaking disassembly and dismantling.
I'm optimistic that when I get into the PET and start looking at my own car, it will be no more than some pig tails and maybe an additional suspension sensor as with the 996.
It would be great if they used PASM, but that would also be a can of worms once the springs are changed or the dampers completely removed.
If I were to go with a Black car, I'd first want to take some time to see if the Xenon retrofit would be possible.
In ten years, I can't remember wanting to hit the headlight washers. And the first time I did it on the 993 I was greatly confused about the source of the spray and assumed my windshield washers had failed ... at least, for a second or two, I was thinking "oh great ... the washers don't even work ..." : )
Anyway, for sure, if I can hold $1000 out of the price of the car and put it towards a retrofit kit form one of the after-market parts providers, that's better than two nipples of any colour poking through the front bumper cover. We'll see.
12-31-2006, 01:03 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
I believe Porsche had a Xenon retrofit kit for the ealier 996 that did not include the washer system.
I wonder if Porsche will do the same for the 997 thus making nipple free Xenons a possibility, not to mention saving the weight of the washer system. One would have to install after purchase however.
I wonder if Porsche will do the same for the 997 thus making nipple free Xenons a possibility, not to mention saving the weight of the washer system. One would have to install after purchase however.