mitch236

What I don't understand is why doesn't Porsche make it a la carte? Let us choose what we want in our car. That way, everyone wins.

MJSpeed

Great point...I hope they do in the RS!!

GrantG

Yeah, especially with the introduction of the DSG gearbox. I hope you can still choose 6-spd (and save some money too).

2002M3Drew

We had Larry Webster, tech editor for C & D magazine, as a guest speaker at a PCA monthly meeting two months ago. When asked about the greatest automotive technological advancement he's seen in the past few years, he said that it was Audi's DSG system, hands down. Apparently there is another two years or so left of exclusivity rights to Audi (patented system where a gear cog is "pre-engaged" before each shift)). After the patent runs out, other makes will start using similar systems, but not before.

Flying Finn

Great idea but still there should be limits.

I mean look at RSAs, ok, it's not very hardcore from the beginning and far from real 964 RS but there are plenty of them with sunroof! WTF?!?!?

If Porsche did GT3 RS with the possibility of putting sunroof, pimped out fur interior, 24" spinners etc. there would be plenty of those pimped out RSs here in states.

Of course anyone can do what they want with their cars, I'm just thinking Porsche's image (there are plenty of pimped out Porsche already and new models are leaning that way fairly heavily) and next owners down the line who then are screwed with the choises (same way as today's 993 & 996 buyers are screwed up with the sunroof, here just isn't cars without them).

I'm a simple guy, I don't understand how it is so hard for a Porsche to do a "bare bones" models.
With ton of those pimped out models, why it is so hard for them to do models without all that crap.

MJSpeed

That's exactly my point except I'm ok with people having most of the options...some however should not be an option, i.e. sunroof and sat/nav in an RS or even GT3...what's next tiptronic on these models...let us track junkies get what we want...a 997 GT3RS very much like the 993 RS and 996 GT3RS!!

Mojimbo

not bad, but how come they dont make the motor bigger??

Are they saving that for 2010??

Terry L

It's funny that most of the comments on this thread critical of Porsche describe as their ideal vehicle the Lotus Elise. It has almost none of the "nanny" items (it does have a brake booster and ABS but these are almost superfluous), weighs nothing, lacks a sunroof (because it's a targa), and is a ball to drive. The problem is, the GT3s go by so fast pulling out of the corners and on the straights that it's like the Lotus is standing still, and it's just damned humiliating. You guys who complain about the new GT3 are nuts. Traction control basically controls inside wheelspin and not much else. If I understand PASM correctly, it's no more than pre-calibrated adjustable shocks, only you don't have to get under the car to turn the little *****. What race car doesn't have adjustable shocks? And if the sunroof really bothers you, keep it closed. I think it would be a terrific feature on a dual use car, even if it gives up a second a lap. Sorry for the rant.

pcar964

Terry you seem to be missing the point. You're not the first and you won't be the last.

Terry L

Well, at least I'm in good company.

pcar964

Well, you're in the majority. Good company, that's debatable. Just kidding

Nordschleife

there are a lot of people who are missing the point

Track Car = GT3 Cup

Street Car = GT3 or GT 3 RS

if you try and make one car do both, you will end up with something that is unsatisfactory at either. There is no free lunch.

I am mystified by the discussion of the 997 GT3 RS, is this the Rosewall edition? The GT3 isn't officially released yet, and alreaqdy there is a horde of people bad mouthing it., many of them offering lesss than 'informed' opinion and clamouring for a car that hasn't even been announced. Some people even claim to have put down deposits on it, why? I can tell you that the people who work for car manufacturers love blowing smoke at the dealers, and you know what dealers call car 'enthusiasts', it rhymes with sucker. So getting information from dealers may not be as reliable as the crystal ball reader down at the carnie.

Some people regard the 997 as a 'run-out' model. It is normal to find lots of different special editions in these circumstances, but its mostly marketing hype.

I can absolutely promise you that if Porsche did release a car that was as track capable as a real race car that customers would bitch about it. Hopeless clutch in traffic, noisy gearbox, clunking jarring drive line shunts, squealing brakes, poor power delivery down low, droning exhaust at highway speeds.

I spoke to one of the finest Porsche tuners in Germany about building a GT3 that could just be driven up to the Nürburgring, have its wheels changed and be ready to run competitively in the Endurance races there. I was told ' In that case, we had better start with a race car, we cannot make the street car competitive'.

Be very careful what you wish for.......

R+C

Mr. C4

Thank God for that we have a "Mr. I know it All" like you on these boards. what happend to freedom of speech and opinion?!

Nordschleife

Given your reaction, freedom of speach is something you seek to curtail.

DanH

NS - I don't think anyone fails to understand that these things are a compromise, but the compromise appears to have moved more to the centre ground which plenty of us find disappointing on their edgey models. I'm sure it will be a fine car though.