stpatsday

Agree with bwesteve and burren; yet hope seller gets a good price. But question I have is: how does a guy post up on our club, ask for the top price ever of $214,000.00, yet not think to invest fourteen dollars to join? sheesh

8Lug

This is why I never understood why people make a big deal about "one owner" cars. If the one owner is not a good custodian of the car, that is much worse than having 5 owners , of which only one or two (or maybe even none) happened to be bad.

Waxer

Didn’t care for the tone of the thread title when it first appeared.

The information finally supplied ranged from being wrong to inconsistent to raising concerns then even supported by pictures that don’t engender confidence.

In the end may very well be a great car as verified by a PPI which should be done before purchase (and not at his buddies mechanic shop).

I hope he gets his $214k. Doubtful even in this market but selfishly would be great. All ships rise with the tide as they say.

Marv

Having trouble with this logic you are proposing.

First, "Bad Owner" is subjective. You can't say all bad owners are equally bad or equally good.

Second, how can one bad owner be much worse than two bad owners (all bad owners being equal for the moment), If the one owner is not a good custodian of the car and a five owner vehicle has one or possibly two bad owners?

Lastly, it seems to me that a significant number of people have already passed judgement on this car and its owner. The way I read it is that the car has been stored for five years. The car is dusty, but it would be hasty to draw a negative conclusion based on that. This is why we have pre-purchase inspections—to glean the truth of the matter. Otherwise, we are just speculating and it seems like those speculations have spiraled down into an abyss where they have taken on the armor of facts. Just my observation and I might be wrong.

The price does seem high, but I am not an expert on marketing. Much more than I have in my piggy bank.

8Lug

First, I'm not passing judgment on this particular car or seller, but I can see how it was viewed that way since I posted it in this thread. That was not my intent.

To address your question, the logic is quite simple. A 12 year old car owned by a single bad owner has endured 12 years of abuse. A 12 year old car owned by 4 owners (for equal amounts of time), of which 2 were bad and 2 we were good, endured only 6 years of abuse. Split up the ratios however you want. Of course the definition of good and bad owner is subjective but that applies to both single owner and multiple owner vehicles. In my view, unless you personally know the single owner and their driving habits, then single-owner adds no value.

Marv

Okay. Makes sense. You still have to assume that every bad owner is bad to the same degree and who was the last owner. A good last owner would have probably fixed previous abuse.

Wonderdan

I think the majority of the time the 'real' damage that can be caused by a person that treats it like a car and not a child is superficial... for a $200k< car it's surprising how available the parts are and how resilient this car is. Nearly everything wear item so far is between a 3 and a 5 skill level... I even bought my own Porsche PIWIS II in preparation for the hard stuff...only to find out after fixing a few things its overkill and good for running my own DME reports and reminding me that I don't have a sunroof or Bose system

I took a gamble by buying this GT3RS on BAT with track time... but after slowly working on it this winter I'm super confident in this car and my ability to maintain it till I die.

A new buyer can easily put a price on dropping an engine and replacing the seals... and guess what its like $200 more than pinning the lines, so don't let it stop you if you want it

bweSteve

I agree. And the OP car could indeed be a GREAT car to pick up ... its just that the OP set a tone with this thread,... and like Mooty says "you buy the seller"

..... plus the ridiculous price tag

Maybe if he waits another 5-8 yrs it will indeed be worth $214k. ... but by that time he'll want 300

If it ends up on BaT, the market will give the reality check

Burren

OP has left the building?

switchcars

"Started it every couple weeks so the battery wouldn't die"

*Shows photos of it with the door open, key in ignition, and gauge cluster dark...indicating totally dead battery. Not to mention frunk is popped and jumper cables in the background

"If you don't buy it for $214k I'll send it to Bring a Trailer"

*Yeah, about that. They'll give you a $165k reserve. I'm tempted to make you an offer right now at $2500 more whatever they offer for a reserve, but I don't like gambling that much. Might get the wrong college kid who accidentally approves a $200k reserve.

EMpunker

OP sank his own ship with this thread. At least there's now some light shed on this car's history. I'm sure someone will scoop it up and return it to it's former glory.

GlenGT3

Admins should sticky this thread and retitle it “how not to sell a car”

Turbo Racer

I don’t know. Looks like it could be a great car. A little neglected and maybe dry seals? Overall, it would sell at the right price and maybe bat on the right day would give him a standout price. It is porsche hysteria over there and the peanut gallery is constantly egging people on to go higher and higher, shake head. Only thing I’d like to see is this car permanently removed/banned from any storage facility and driven hard and fun. It’s life up till now appears to be a decade of wasted potential.

8Lug

I'm sure the car itself is fine. Probably needs nothing other than a new battery and a good bath. Find me another 2011 in GT Silver with 8k miles. There were only 15 made for North America. There are plenty of buyers for this car, it just needs to be properly presented to realize its full value. While the seller didn't do himself any favors in this thread, I'm sure the car will sell without a problem.

Burren

Between $150 and $185.