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Quite a few of us have a 993. If it helps, the 993 to me is much closer to the 997, than the 964 is to the 996.
The suspension of the car moved a long way going from the 964 to the 993 with the rear multi-link. Which makes the 993 that much more of a daily-able car (not that the 964 isn't).
I smile every time I drive the 993. But it just isn't as much of an "event" or "thrill" as a 964 of the same grade, in my subjective opinion.
993 would make a fun DD and great companion to a 997 GT car. As a fun weekend toy, it doesn't compare to the thrill or excitement of a gt3, but as a DD its easy to drive, great a/c (relatively speaking for an aircooled). Small mods such as a Fister 2/3 exhaust + Goldenrod+ Shortshift + updated suspension makes the car a lot more enjoyable (IMO).
When I want to relax (or take the kids for a drive), I take the C2S. When I want to drive in anger, I take the gt3.
I appreciate the continued comments and I'm open to buying a modified example too, which helps differentiate what I want versus what the purists and collectors go for. Thanks everyone!
I own both the 997.2 GT3RS and 993 Carrera S. The 993 and 997 platforms are more similar in driving character, where as the 964 is totally different where it dates back to the original 911 driving experience. I would suggest you to get the 997 and 964.
The 993 has the then new rear suspension, but it added weight in the back of the car but power didn't go up that much, so if you really wanna feel alive and toss around the 993 is too stable in the rear...it will end up just being a cruiser. The 997 has the power to be on its feet and the 964 has the lightness in the rear to have a more involving time driving.
I own both the 997.2 GT3RS and 993 Carrera S. The 993 and 997 platforms are more similar in driving character, where as the 964 is totally different where it dates back to the original 911 driving experience. I would suggest you to get the 997 and 964.
The 993 has the then new rear suspension, but it added weight in the back of the car but power didn't go up that much, so if you really wanna feel alive and toss around the 993 is too stable in the rear...it will end up just being a cruiser. The 997 has the power to be on its feet and the 964 has the lightness in the rear to have a more involving time driving.
I think the 964 won't be quite as good for daily use though, no?
I don't yet have an air cooled 911, but its on my very short list of "must have" cars. The 993 generation is what I grew up idolizing, so I've got to get one. I actually want a slower 911 so I can use it more fully when not doing a weekend blast or going on the track. Limited by garage space stinks, lol.
Why would it be any different, from a daily perspective?
From what I'm gathering the 993 rides smoother, has a more robust HVAC (mostly AC) and has more midrange torque, especially the 96+ models. I keep reading that it behaves more like a 997, which is a good thing to me, whereas the 964 will be more raw and unruly if pushed.
I'm still waiting for you to get bored so I can buy it. Would love to find a Vusuvio 993 to buy. Just sold my turbo, so wills tart looking
LOL! I'm shocked you'd sell your 993 turbo for a lowly NA C2S! That seemed like a great car you had. Not even an inkling of boredom from this car yet. It's been fun sorting it out over the last year.
given most of you guys are comparing C2's (993 -vs- 964), my comment won't help much,...
.... but one thing I can tell you with a LOT of confidence & experience, is when comparing a 993 Turbo, to a 964 Turbo (Steve, I know you're not considering either),.. but I can't help myself but to make this comment..... I've done both, and the AWD 993 Turbo is NOTHING like the push of a RWD car. The 964 Turbo wins that battle in my opinion hands down. Then again I've been driving RWD 911's (G body forward gens) all my life.
When I drove the AWD 993 Turbo, it was just no where near as exciting as the 964 Turbo. certainly it could carry a lot more speed with confidence,... but not as thrilling for me.
Oh,... & Btw,... ever since I converted my A/C from R12 to R134a, it hasn't leaked (new schrader valves in the kit), and blows ice cold. So that is certainly something that can be scratched off your list when comparing 993 to 964 in the C2 arena. They can blow cold, and certainly work consistently.
Last edited by bweSteve; 10-19-2021 at 04:50 PM.
Reason: 964 A/C can blow cold too
Hello. I also have a pairing of 997 GT3 and 993 c2s. Added the 993 about a year ago….first air cooled for me, final one made, and totally adore it. I’m actually enjoying it more on the road than the GT3, as can use it a more, including planting the throttle. It’s still quick - circa 5 sec to 60, handles well (I have street bilstein fitted) and has cruise, air that works (I did add too end clear tint which made a good difference), good stereo (I now carry a lot of my old cd’s in it and loving that too), and the wide body curves are to die for. It’s wonderful. Also has airbags and abs. I went 993 for all that, and it’s got much better rear suspension than earlier air cooled, which carries over in design to 996 and 997. I’ve unexpectedly found it more fun than the 997…it’s more accessible....hope that helps.
given most of you guys are comparing C2's (993 -vs- 964), my comment won't help much,...
.... but one thing I can tell you with a LOT of confidence & experience, is when comparing a 993 Turbo, to a 964 Turbo (Steve, I know you're not considering either),.. but I can't help myself but to make this comment..... I've done both, and the AWD 993 Turbo is NOTHING like the push of a RWD car. The 964 Turbo wins that battle in my opinion hands down. Then again I've been driving RWD 911's (G body forward gens) all my life.
When I drove the AWD 993 Turbo, it was just no where near as exciting as the 964 Turbo. certainly it could carry a lot more speed with confidence,... but not as thrilling for me.
Oh,... & Btw,... ever since I converted my A/C from R12 to R134a, it hasn't leaked (new schrader valves in the kit), and blows ice cold. So that is certainly something that can be scratched off your list when comparing 993 to 964 in the C2 arena. They can blow cold, and certainly work consistently.
I currently have a beautiful ROW 1992 Amethyst Metallic 964T in my shop that has absolutely captured my heart. If I had the budget, I would have just bought it from the owner, but it's a consignment car and will be listed on PCAR soon with me representing it. I hear you loud and clear, but both 964T and 993TT are out of my current budget so I cannot not have either one. Love your comments!
Originally Posted by MC 968CS
Hello. I also have a pairing of 997 GT3 and 993 c2s. Added the 993 about a year ago….first air cooled for me, final one made, and totally adore it. I’m actually enjoying it more on the road than the GT3, as can use it a more, including planting the throttle. It’s still quick - circa 5 sec to 60, handles well (I have street bilstein fitted) and has cruise, air that works (I did add too end clear tint which made a good difference), good stereo (I now carry a lot of my old cd’s in it and loving that too), and the wide body curves are to die for. It’s wonderful. Also has airbags and abs. I went 993 for all that, and it’s got much better rear suspension than earlier air cooled, which carries over in design to 996 and 997. I’ve unexpectedly found it more fun than the 997…it’s more accessible....hope that helps.
That absolutely helps, and thanks for coming by to tell us about your own experiences. I noticed that yours is a wide body S model (also out of my current budget range), but I'm hoping to have 90% or more of the experience you described with the standard 993. I think you summarized why I feel the 993 is best for my use case more eloquently than I could, so thanks for that too.
I currently still have my 2011 Mexico Blue GT3 RS. I HAD a 1998 993 C2S. I currently race a 2018 991.2 Cup. I still also have 1 of the last 15 1998 993 Cup's.
I sold my 98 C2S. It was not as inspiring to me to drive to my other cars. I also tried for a few years to drive a 993 C4S as a daily driver. I sold the 993 C4S too. I certainly didn't expect it to drive like a 993 Cup which is some 700 lbs. lighter and has 30 more horsepower and slicks. It was arguably one of the best looking 911's Porsche has ever made, but it was way too heavy and not nearly as engaging as the 997 RS. If I didn't have the 98 993 Cup and wanted a 993 today, I'd likely go for a 95 narrow body and look to lighten it a little bit more. Part of the problem is the 997 RS is so good it does ruin you for almost all others. The connectivity to driving with the feel of the steering, the size of the car doesn't compare and likely will never compare to anything else. Sure there will be faster cars out there but in terms of the WOW on your face, I have not found a match. If you want air cooled and driver engagement you might want to look at going older than 993. My advice would be to drive a 993 a few times before you buy it. For those lucky to own a 997 GT3 or RS you've already found about as good as it gets.
I thought you guys might enjoy the photo as I had pro photography taken today of the 1992 Amethyst 911 Turbo that I'll be auctioning in a week or so. What an amazing machine, and it goes to show me how many things were actually lost to give us some gains. The way these cars built and interact with you is just something that has to be experienced in person to be believed. I really do want an air-pumper in my life...but cannot afford this particular beauty! She sure is nice to spend time with though!
10-19-2021, 04:33 AM
Would love to find a Vusuvio 993 to buy. Just sold my turbo, so wills tart looking
