Okay. Here is the question. My wife and I both track this car 4-6 weekends per year. I started on Pilot Super Sports, but jumped right to the PSC2's. Also, track alignment with GT3 Control arms. Pretty nice negative camber! LOL

Is the new 4S closer to the MPSC2's or the MPSS's?

Over $500 more for Cup II's and wear is a lot worse. Anyone have anything to shed light on this?

 

From the reviews I've read you'll be slower on the MPS4S but not by much. Articles say Michelin is working on replacement for MPSC2 since MPS4S is so close to their performance and actually better in the wet.

 

I am about to order a set of 4S, it is a replacement for SS.
From what I've read, it is for 80% street and 20% track.

 

neither..

get a set of Bridgestone re-11s if you want max dry performance and can still run with them on a wet track day.

MPS4S I read is a street tire you can track.
Re-11's is a track tire you can drive on the road...they will ride worse / make more noise/ but offer more grip (curious which lasts longer)

 

Just ran my 4S at the track last weekend. They were 1.5 secs slower (1:13 laps) than my will used Nittos, but they were only really good for 3-4 hard laps, then they get greasy.

With as many events as you do, I'd invest in another set of wheels and run an R compound.

Now if it rained, I'd throw the 4S on in a minute!

 

By a set of 18" wheels and Nitto NT01 245/40/18 and 305/35/18 and you'll be way better off than with the Michelins.

FYI these NT01 sizes are same overall diameter as your stock 19's which is important for all wheel drive.

 

Wait. So Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's are considered track tires you can drive on the street. I have never heard anyone suggest RE-11's over the MPSC2's. Super Sports, I guess, but not the SC2's.

 

Hold on...I thought the re-71Rs were the Bridgestone streetable track tires du jour.

http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/make-d...potenza-re-11a

 

Okay, Here are my questions. There are obviously now five sets of track/street (to the track) options here. Would love to hear from folks that have had multiple experiences on each of these. We liked the Cup 2's that we had, because we would run HPDE's back to back sessions. I will now spend more time at events that I will have longer runs and lapping days, so I would just like some feedback. Saying that RE-11's are awesome without any experience with MPSC2's doesn't help me much! Below is "before shipping" Tirerack pricing... I will not be using 18's or Hoosiers.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S - $1266.10
Bridgestone RE11's - $1174.72

Bridgestone RE-71R - $1264.68
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's - $1769.78

Toyo R888 - $1310.38

 

What are you trying to accomplish? Fastest lap times? Go slicks or Hoohoos. Never swap tires? Try any of the DOT treaded r comps. Value? The Nittos seem to wear well.

For me, my racing days are done. I'm looking for a consistent, relatively grippy, but most importantly long lasting cheap option. I like these Nittos so far.

 

No slicks. Im trying to maximize the dollar without giving up the grip. Saying, the fact that my wife and I both use the car on a weekend, so I cant complain with 3 lapping days and 3-1/2 PCA HPDE events with the Cup 2's. I don't simply want to get a less expensive tire, drive the car and hand off crap tires to the wife.

Nitto's are $1388.96 for the same set-up. Not saving a ton!

 

No question the re-71r is a faster and more consistent tire than the MPSC2. I have both and I've also had Michelin SS. The sidewall of the re-71r is much stiffer than any of the Michelins, so the extra grip will cost you a bit of ride comfort on the street.

 

No personal experience but I have a few friends with sport cup two tires and they complain about drivability in the rain.

They really are are more of a track tire.

I guess jt it depends on if you're willing to give up straeetability for a little quicker lap times if the tires are all that's holding you back.

 

What you want hasn't been invented yet! Sounds like R888 or NT01s would be best for your needs.

 

Bridgestone RE71R would be the best. Check the GT3/GT4 forums - a lot of them have switched from the stock cup 2's to them and report similar or faster times, yet much better in the wet, and much cheaper to boot. You'll get similar grip to the NT01, yet much better wet performance. NT01 is old tech, but it'll last quite a while on track and heat cycle well. RE71R is basically the king of street tires right now. The new Hankook RS4's might be comparable but from the reviews trickling in (they were only released a few weeks ago) it doesn't look like they're going to beat the RE71R.

These guys actually tested them to be as fast as NT01's: http://www.prima-racing.com/bridgest...king-part-two/