noobie here
#16
Hm yeah I would hate to be greeted with 'do a search' on one of my first forum posts...
@tdp - I can relate what I think are the two most important changes in the 997.2:
1. Direct Injection motor - which means fuel goes directly into the cylinders. This is a bit more complex than port injection used in 997.1 - requires a high pressure fuel pump, which is a well known failure point - though seems to be reliable in 911's. Other brands have terrible issues of carbon build-up - where partially burned fuel exits the cylinder into the intake and cakes there restricting the flow. I haven't heard Porsche having this issue, so maybe they avoided it somehow.
2. No more Intermediate Shaft (IMS) bearing, which means no more blown engines due to its failure. Do your research on this one, but it seems this was a very common issue on cars up to 2005, less common after that, and 2009+ simply don't have the failure-prone part. IMS breakdown isn't the only failure mode of this engine - so don't think that just because you don't have one, you're safe. Later year 997.1's seem to have mostly resolved the IMS issue, as at least anecdotally there haven't been as many (or any?) reports of their failures.
Honestly to me all the other changes are subjective. My 997.1 is all the 911 I could ever want, but to some people the 997.2 suspension, exterior, and interior changes are important. I can definitely say my 2008 C2 has been the best car I've ever owned in the 6.5 years of its life so far. My biggest gripe is that I have struggled to find anything to modify when I get the urge - it all just works so well in stock form - on the less than perfects streets where I live.
@tdp - I can relate what I think are the two most important changes in the 997.2:
1. Direct Injection motor - which means fuel goes directly into the cylinders. This is a bit more complex than port injection used in 997.1 - requires a high pressure fuel pump, which is a well known failure point - though seems to be reliable in 911's. Other brands have terrible issues of carbon build-up - where partially burned fuel exits the cylinder into the intake and cakes there restricting the flow. I haven't heard Porsche having this issue, so maybe they avoided it somehow.
2. No more Intermediate Shaft (IMS) bearing, which means no more blown engines due to its failure. Do your research on this one, but it seems this was a very common issue on cars up to 2005, less common after that, and 2009+ simply don't have the failure-prone part. IMS breakdown isn't the only failure mode of this engine - so don't think that just because you don't have one, you're safe. Later year 997.1's seem to have mostly resolved the IMS issue, as at least anecdotally there haven't been as many (or any?) reports of their failures.
Honestly to me all the other changes are subjective. My 997.1 is all the 911 I could ever want, but to some people the 997.2 suspension, exterior, and interior changes are important. I can definitely say my 2008 C2 has been the best car I've ever owned in the 6.5 years of its life so far. My biggest gripe is that I have struggled to find anything to modify when I get the urge - it all just works so well in stock form - on the less than perfects streets where I live.
#17
So true the average thread is helpful for 8 to 10 posts before getting derailed and moved off topic. Not that those side trails aren't fun too.
#18
The only major direct mention missing that see is the arrival of the PDK dual-clutch transmission as a replacement to Tiptronic. Outside of the purist argument of a manual stick vs PDK, the most tangible thing the PDK brings is a much faster shift time than is humanly possible, dropping 0-60 times by more than two-tenths of a second... if that is an important thing to you.
The electronics were mentioned and I have to agree that the 997.2 electronic upgrades are quite worthwhile as well, although it's still not as up-to-date as many other cars. Most 997.2s will include Bluetooth (for voice but not for audio streaming) and an external plug-in interface for iPods and such. The materials used on the face and buttons are much better too.
I think all of the other significant improvements are already covered. A dealer will be very glad to let you test drive both. Be sure to try a PDK too unless you must have a manual.
The electronics were mentioned and I have to agree that the 997.2 electronic upgrades are quite worthwhile as well, although it's still not as up-to-date as many other cars. Most 997.2s will include Bluetooth (for voice but not for audio streaming) and an external plug-in interface for iPods and such. The materials used on the face and buttons are much better too.
I think all of the other significant improvements are already covered. A dealer will be very glad to let you test drive both. Be sure to try a PDK too unless you must have a manual.
#20
Hm yeah I would hate to be greeted with 'do a search' on one of my first forum posts...
@tdp - I can relate what I think are the two most important changes in the 997.2:
1. Direct Injection motor - which means fuel goes directly into the cylinders. This is a bit more complex than port injection used in 997.1 - requires a high pressure fuel pump, which is a well known failure point - though seems to be reliable in 911's. Other brands have terrible issues of carbon build-up - where partially burned fuel exits the cylinder into the intake and cakes there restricting the flow. I haven't heard Porsche having this issue, so maybe they avoided it somehow.
2. No more Intermediate Shaft (IMS) bearing, which means no more blown engines due to its failure. Do your research on this one, but it seems this was a very common issue on cars up to 2005, less common after that, and 2009+ simply don't have the failure-prone part. IMS breakdown isn't the only failure mode of this engine - so don't think that just because you don't have one, you're safe. Later year 997.1's seem to have mostly resolved the IMS issue, as at least anecdotally there haven't been as many (or any?) reports of their failures.
Honestly to me all the other changes are subjective. My 997.1 is all the 911 I could ever want, but to some people the 997.2 suspension, exterior, and interior changes are important. I can definitely say my 2008 C2 has been the best car I've ever owned in the 6.5 years of its life so far. My biggest gripe is that I have struggled to find anything to modify when I get the urge - it all just works so well in stock form - on the less than perfects streets where I live.
@tdp - I can relate what I think are the two most important changes in the 997.2:
1. Direct Injection motor - which means fuel goes directly into the cylinders. This is a bit more complex than port injection used in 997.1 - requires a high pressure fuel pump, which is a well known failure point - though seems to be reliable in 911's. Other brands have terrible issues of carbon build-up - where partially burned fuel exits the cylinder into the intake and cakes there restricting the flow. I haven't heard Porsche having this issue, so maybe they avoided it somehow.
2. No more Intermediate Shaft (IMS) bearing, which means no more blown engines due to its failure. Do your research on this one, but it seems this was a very common issue on cars up to 2005, less common after that, and 2009+ simply don't have the failure-prone part. IMS breakdown isn't the only failure mode of this engine - so don't think that just because you don't have one, you're safe. Later year 997.1's seem to have mostly resolved the IMS issue, as at least anecdotally there haven't been as many (or any?) reports of their failures.
Honestly to me all the other changes are subjective. My 997.1 is all the 911 I could ever want, but to some people the 997.2 suspension, exterior, and interior changes are important. I can definitely say my 2008 C2 has been the best car I've ever owned in the 6.5 years of its life so far. My biggest gripe is that I have struggled to find anything to modify when I get the urge - it all just works so well in stock form - on the less than perfects streets where I live.
#21
Great looking car, classic combo. Welcome to the forum. You bought the last of the series, it will run for a long time if you do maintenance regularly (this will now devolve into what is the right maintenance schedule for your particular driving habits). Lots of easy DIY stuff to do and you can find those on a sticky thread at the top of the 997 forum. There are lots of links to lots of great threads on there.
#22
The only major direct mention missing that see is the arrival of the PDK dual-clutch transmission as a replacement to Tiptronic. Outside of the purist argument of a manual stick vs PDK, the most tangible thing the PDK brings is a much faster shift time than is humanly possible, dropping 0-60 times by more than two-tenths of a second... if that is an important thing to you.
The electronics were mentioned and I have to agree that the 997.2 electronic upgrades are quite worthwhile as well, although it's still not as up-to-date as many other cars. Most 997.2s will include Bluetooth (for voice but not for audio streaming) and an external plug-in interface for iPods and such. The materials used on the face and buttons are much better too.
I think all of the other significant improvements are already covered. A dealer will be very glad to let you test drive both. Be sure to try a PDK too unless you must have a manual.
The electronics were mentioned and I have to agree that the 997.2 electronic upgrades are quite worthwhile as well, although it's still not as up-to-date as many other cars. Most 997.2s will include Bluetooth (for voice but not for audio streaming) and an external plug-in interface for iPods and such. The materials used on the face and buttons are much better too.
I think all of the other significant improvements are already covered. A dealer will be very glad to let you test drive both. Be sure to try a PDK too unless you must have a manual.
#23
Great looking car, classic combo. Welcome to the forum. You bought the last of the series, it will run for a long time if you do maintenance regularly (this will now devolve into what is the right maintenance schedule for your particular driving habits). Lots of easy DIY stuff to do and you can find those on a sticky thread at the top of the 997 forum. There are lots of links to lots of great threads on there.
#25
Thanks, I can understand why some prefer PDK. Great system for what it is. I prefer manual shift in a sports car but that's just my opinion. I enjoy the driving experience more that faster 0-60 times. I have to say the driving experience so far is so much fun. I come from a long line of Corvettes that most of the time sat covered in my garage. So far, I can't stop thinking about driving this one again.
#26
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