Florida residents, 4S or S given the amount of rain you guys get?
#46
LOLOLOL that comes as no surprise. Fact is though, his is bigger
Some people buy tires based on what their car is theoretically capable of, and others buy tires based on how they're actually going to drive it. The OP asked about Florida. The roads here are 99% straight and heavily trafficked. The odds of exceeding 100mph (being very generous) for any significant distance without getting pulled over by the FHP are not good. Realistically, the only place here anyone is going to push a 997 anywhere near the point where the AS970 Pole Position is going to detract would be on a track. Most people I know who track their DD's have a second set of wheels anyway.
I was replying to the OP's question as a long-time FL resident. His stated driving patterns are similar to mine save for 10X longer distances of his commute...which would make cost even more of an issue for him. Not sure how well your use and biases apply to him.
Some people buy tires based on what their car is theoretically capable of, and others buy tires based on how they're actually going to drive it. The OP asked about Florida. The roads here are 99% straight and heavily trafficked. The odds of exceeding 100mph (being very generous) for any significant distance without getting pulled over by the FHP are not good. Realistically, the only place here anyone is going to push a 997 anywhere near the point where the AS970 Pole Position is going to detract would be on a track. Most people I know who track their DD's have a second set of wheels anyway.
I was replying to the OP's question as a long-time FL resident. His stated driving patterns are similar to mine save for 10X longer distances of his commute...which would make cost even more of an issue for him. Not sure how well your use and biases apply to him.
I get it, a lot of buyers aren't buying for the performance anymore. Or that is what you're implying. It is for bragging rights, or badge, or whatever. My assumption on an enthusiast website is that someone doesn't want to skimp on tires by having all seasons. They are inferior in virtually every single condition in florida... except for all those cold sub 40 days... they may last longer, sure, but my assumption is that someone owning one of these won't make that decision based on dollars.
I still would never recommend all season tires for a 997, except perhaps to use during cold months in areas that get chilly but don't snow a lot. Then swap to summer tires for the rest of the year.
But people do have different goals and views, and uses, for these cars. So it's all cool.
#47
This is a very interesting discussion, since my wife has found a 2006 C4 Cab manual to replace her 1966 Mustang GT fastback (purchased in 1985), which has an open rear end. For the C2 model, and the experiences noted in driving them and C4s on the track and in wet conditions (helpful inputs for sure), what advantages in track time are gained with the LSD ? I would assume that for a C4, the power split in the (x-fer case) is controlled, but each differential is open.
Regarding the non LSD C2, with great throttle controllable over-steer, my experiences in Mustangs is that an open rear gear will allow less rear end drift (one wheel slips, the other is not powered and helps to hold the line).
In the case of my R code 428 Mach 1 with traction loc, if I floor it (automatic) at 30 mph on a high crown road, the whole back of the car heads for the weeds, since both rear tires have a semi liquid grip on the pavement.
Between LSD and AWD, which is the best (performance) and practical (cost) way to go ?
Does an open rear end C2 just have what it takes regardless, since the weight distribution with 1/2 tank fuel and driver still favors rear axle by some % ?
Regarding the non LSD C2, with great throttle controllable over-steer, my experiences in Mustangs is that an open rear gear will allow less rear end drift (one wheel slips, the other is not powered and helps to hold the line).
In the case of my R code 428 Mach 1 with traction loc, if I floor it (automatic) at 30 mph on a high crown road, the whole back of the car heads for the weeds, since both rear tires have a semi liquid grip on the pavement.
Between LSD and AWD, which is the best (performance) and practical (cost) way to go ?
Does an open rear end C2 just have what it takes regardless, since the weight distribution with 1/2 tank fuel and driver still favors rear axle by some % ?
Last edited by Ericson38; 04-22-2015 at 03:09 PM.
#48
The OP said he has a 200 mi round trip commute as much as 15 days/mo. That's 36K miles/year. A set of P-zeros lasted me an average of 12K miles (10 rear, 14 front), for him that's 3 sets a year at roughly $2500, or $7500/yr. The AS970's last me an average of 25K miles (20 rear, 30 front) and cost $1100/set. That's 1.44 sets/yr for a cost of $1600. Difference is almost $6000/yr! Since he's posting in the 997 forum he's talking about a used car, so it's not an unreasonable assumption that cost could be a factor (although conceding the possibility he just doesn't care for the 991), so in that case it's also not unreasonable to assume $6K/yr isn't chump change to him.
#49
The OP said he has a 200 mi round trip commute as much as 15 days/mo. That's 36K miles/year. A set of P-zeros lasted me an average of 12K miles (10 rear, 14 front), for him that's 3 sets a year at roughly $2500, or $7500/yr. The AS970's last me an average of 25K miles (20 rear, 30 front) and cost $1100/set. That's 1.44 sets/yr for a cost of $1600. Difference is almost $6000/yr! Since he's posting in the 997 forum he's talking about a used car, so it's not an unreasonable assumption that cost could be a factor (although conceding the possibility he just doesn't care for the 991), so in that case it's also not unreasonable to assume $6K/yr isn't chump change to him.
The tires are what deliver the goods to the road. If they only deliver 80% of the performance, what's the point? When I look at used cars, the absolute first thing I check is the tires. High performance / quality tires with tread usually indicate someone willing to shell out the $$$ to maximally maintain the car. I've seen bad tires on ostensibly very nice cars... red flag. And I don't mean specialized tires that people here throw on because they're smart about the $/performance, I mean cheap tires (and this isn't directed to the AS tires you mentioned). Driving that mileage per year will also result in significant maintenance upkeep requirements vs. a Toyota or some other car, adding thousands on top of the depreciation...
I agreed that economics of it could drive this decision, but then I really don't see the point of going up to a high performance car to run all season tires... a merc, a regular BMW, sure. A 911? I just don't get it.
#50
The point is unless the OP takes the car to a track there's no way on FL roads he's ever going to go fast enough or twisty enough to where that difference in tire performance will be perceptible. Unless he tracks the car, he's just throwing money down the toilet buying stickier, faster-wearing tires at twice the cost. Even if he does track it occasionally, he would still net out better having a second set of wheels/tires for the track, and use the long-wearing, quieter, more comfortable-riding AS tires for that 200-mile interstate commute.