PDK Problem
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No reason to be alarmed. This is a very small percentage of cars with this issue. Remember, every make has issues, even Hondas and Toyotas.
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Sorry, i'm super skeptical porsche got PDK right in the first gen of it's development and it's a big risk to take for out of warranty people. I'd rather have a stick, which is slower, but the replacement/upgrade cost is manageable.
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I would be interested in some hard valid data rather than sensationalism. I opted for 2010 in my search to avoid first model year woes (HPFP, etc.). So I would be interested in numbers by the year as well.
Then it would also be nice to know the actual failure modes. Seems like electrical is a big snag across the entire range of all types of failures with modern cars. How many PDK failures were not electrical?
But I doubt there is any kind of matrix out there. I also suspect that the number of failures is small enough to be statistically noisy as well.
I would bet that if we could get everyone who has had no problem to chime in, that would be an impressive number. I am among that group as of today.
While I do feel like I have wussed out with the PDK, I still enjoy the car every time I get into it regardless. No regrets now, hopefully no regrets later.
I do suspect that the softer shift programming that appears to come with the software upgrade is gentler on the PDK and (along with the push towards GT) is what happened to the 991. I haven't seen Porsche feeling a need to push this update onto the 997s, and I suspect that if PDK failures were prevalent we would be getting updates as a part of our normal service.
I don't see a class action suit either.
Of course, a part of the above is self placation!
Then it would also be nice to know the actual failure modes. Seems like electrical is a big snag across the entire range of all types of failures with modern cars. How many PDK failures were not electrical?
But I doubt there is any kind of matrix out there. I also suspect that the number of failures is small enough to be statistically noisy as well.
I would bet that if we could get everyone who has had no problem to chime in, that would be an impressive number. I am among that group as of today.
While I do feel like I have wussed out with the PDK, I still enjoy the car every time I get into it regardless. No regrets now, hopefully no regrets later.
I do suspect that the softer shift programming that appears to come with the software upgrade is gentler on the PDK and (along with the push towards GT) is what happened to the 991. I haven't seen Porsche feeling a need to push this update onto the 997s, and I suspect that if PDK failures were prevalent we would be getting updates as a part of our normal service.
I don't see a class action suit either.
Of course, a part of the above is self placation!
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Some say IMS is about 10%. See HERE.
2.) Yes, 10% i've seen for 996, but 997.1 with the larger bearing is < 1% failure.
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Sheep will always be sheep my man, there's nothing you can say to convince them otherwise. I'm with you IMS is a non-issue in my eyes.
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I will accept that the larger bearing improved the IMS reliability. And that larger bearing was used in 75% of the model's production years. So Porsche saw a problem and addressed it.
PDK is going into its seventh production year with no significant changes that I am aware of. It is used in a number of models representing significant power and weight. What was that problem again?
Let's group together to get some actual data before we extend this further. My view, at least. There is enough to fret over. I don't need to go turning over stones to find more.