PDK Failure
#61
Come to think of it, the EVOMS software did enable left foot braking. Not sure if that'll effect anything. Before I do anything, I'm going to have my shop read the fault codes. Then I'll swap in my Lithium battery with more juice and see what happens. If I still get the errors then it's off to the dealer.
#62
Nordschleife Master
The temp sensor is a dealer repairable item but only if certain fault codes are present in the PDK module. Also as noted in another thread, the temp sensor can only be replaced once, after that the requirement is a new PDK.
In MY 2012 (manufacture date 2011+) 997 platform changes were made to PDK software and extended PDK software mods into 991 platform. Not sure if the current PIWIS II system retains the PIWIS I patches for PDK - this could be an issue with software updates for 997 /987.
Correct. Software changes to some 997 platform PDK and most all 991 platform PDK results in "softer shifts" in normal mode, perhaps slightly softer and slightly faster in Sport and Sport+ modes. 991 platform has additional features such as paddle neutral and accommodation for start/stop.
In MY 2012 (manufacture date 2011+) 997 platform changes were made to PDK software and extended PDK software mods into 991 platform. Not sure if the current PIWIS II system retains the PIWIS I patches for PDK - this could be an issue with software updates for 997 /987.
Correct. Software changes to some 997 platform PDK and most all 991 platform PDK results in "softer shifts" in normal mode, perhaps slightly softer and slightly faster in Sport and Sport+ modes. 991 platform has additional features such as paddle neutral and accommodation for start/stop.
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Excellence magazine , this month had an article stating the PDK is showing to be as reliable as the tiptronic, if not more reliable.
I still think it is the best trans on earth, hands down.
I still think it is the best trans on earth, hands down.
#65
I was on youtube *oh god, ignorance here. we. go* and there were videos of the PDK transmission where teeth were breaking off one of the helical gears and causing the grenading effect. I saw it on the Manual transmission also.
Just a question for these transmissions, are they both manufactured in Japan? Has japanese manufacturing reduced the reliability of these transmissions in track/athletic/pound'em ground'em applications?
Just a question for these transmissions, are they both manufactured in Japan? Has japanese manufacturing reduced the reliability of these transmissions in track/athletic/pound'em ground'em applications?
#66
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PDK are German made by ZF (ZF Friedrichshafen AG). Carrera gen 1 is ZF 7DT-45; turbo Carrera ZF 7DT-70 for the higher torque. Mods to these were done in 2011 and then 2012 for 991.
These are very reliable and IMHO among the best DCT available. This thread highlights some issues but the percentage of pbms is very small compared to total production (I don't have the %, so I guess that last statement is opinion more than fact).
These are very reliable and IMHO among the best DCT available. This thread highlights some issues but the percentage of pbms is very small compared to total production (I don't have the %, so I guess that last statement is opinion more than fact).
#67
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Some issues, which may have to do with 3rd party changes - see post #61.
#68
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I think the battery is a few years old. I might put my lightweight lithium battery in there that has higher cranking AMPs. I don't believe that the EVOMS software made any changes to the PDK software. Can the Porsche dealer just upgrade the PDK software and/or swap out the temp sensor on my existing PDK without getting a new one?
#69
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I see more issues with manual transmission than PDK.
#70
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I think the difference is a manual can be repaired locally whereas they sent my PDK back to Germany for an electronic component and wanted me to pay $14,000
for the honor. You have to break a lot of manuals to spend 14K.
I worry about the long term reliability of the PDKs, the oldest ones out there are only 6 and granted the percentage of failures is arguably low at this point but what will it be in 6-10 more years?
Hopefully they will have a program for tearing down and repairing the PDK at the local level soon.
for the honor. You have to break a lot of manuals to spend 14K.
I worry about the long term reliability of the PDKs, the oldest ones out there are only 6 and granted the percentage of failures is arguably low at this point but what will it be in 6-10 more years?
Hopefully they will have a program for tearing down and repairing the PDK at the local level soon.
#71
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More complex system, with no added redundancies, means greater probability of failure. Not to beat a dead horse (well, too late) but all the manumatics have been less reliable than the simple manuals, whether we're talking early Ferrari F1 transmissions, BMW DCT systems, or Porsche with PDK. For most drivers who can properly drive stick, the manual will be more robust and less prone to costly failure.
The PDK system will continue to develop and improve over time. Failures are of course few and far between. But these are first generation systems. At least (so far) there isn't the same mentality of actually having to avoid cars with PDK, unlike early F1 Ferrari transmissions, where people massively prefer the stick, not just for nostalgia or driving character, but because the F1 transmissions in the earlier F355s are known for being extremely unreliable and costly to fix...
The PDK system will continue to develop and improve over time. Failures are of course few and far between. But these are first generation systems. At least (so far) there isn't the same mentality of actually having to avoid cars with PDK, unlike early F1 Ferrari transmissions, where people massively prefer the stick, not just for nostalgia or driving character, but because the F1 transmissions in the earlier F355s are known for being extremely unreliable and costly to fix...
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#75
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P401 = Control module is incorrectly coded
or Periphery connected to specified control module is incorrect
or Control module faulty (in most cases the cause is not the control module but incorrect coding!)
P418 = Open circuit in signal wire from stop test switch
or Stop light switch faulty
Not too sure on this one, as you have C100. If it maps to -
U100 = No power supply for DME control module
or DME control module incorrectly coded
or Short circuit or open circuit in the CAN drive
or DME control module faulty (in most cases the cause is not the DME control module but incorrect coding!)
These U codes are really DME and CAN issues and can trigger additional collateral faults elsewhere, which is what I suspect is causing your Sport mode failure, i.e. your code 5400, in other words, there is no real problem with sport mode, you just can't engage it until other faults are resolved.
Good luck, should be able to sort it out with a good shop. May be a new DME control unit or re-coding is required.