Jaguar F Type S Coupe
10-14-2014, 12:21 PM
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I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
10-14-2014, 12:26 PM
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10-14-2014, 12:28 PM
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I respect the Vette quite a bit because - like a 911 - its an evolutionary car that has existed in one basic architecture since inception. They tweak at the boundaries with an occasional step jump in capability. In many ways, Vette's and 911's are the only cars of their kind in the world: History, tradition, racing pedigree all in a single basic architecture over the length of the car's run.
Unfortunately, later model Corvettes have suffered from severe depreciation which 911s have not, leading to some less than ideal owners in that community. You have to respect the 'vette, and someday I will own a C2, but I feel much classier in my 911
10-14-2014, 12:30 PM
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you are probably 100% correct, but still think the Ford-era is effecting the price on these beauties. Plus, I can't find any good reliability metrics to prove my point
I don't understand some of the Ford reliability comments. You all do realize the Ford's are some of the most reliable cars on the road?
I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
10-14-2014, 12:35 PM
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I don't understand some of the Ford reliability comments. You all do realize the Ford's are some of the most reliable cars on the road?
Ford has had some major success also: (and needs to receive kudos for those achievements)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GT40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GT
This car did win the 24 Hours of Le Mans 4 consecutive times in the mid 60's (over Ferrari). So they are a capable manufacturer, that clearly stumbled but has righted themselves (IMO).
10-14-2014, 02:12 PM
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I too love the F-Type. I prefer the coupe to the convertible though. It's right up there with the Aston Vantage, but the Vantage is now starting to show its age.
Re: older Ford-Jags - my Mom has an 05 X-Type. Junk. I was with them when they test drove it, basically new as it was a dealer demo, told them not to buy it, still bought it anyway. Bleah. Since then though, I think TATA's done a bang up job with JLR. The new Rangies are exquisite. We are also very pleased with our LR3. My wife wants a full size Rangie...I do like how they depreciate!
Re: older Ford-Jags - my Mom has an 05 X-Type. Junk. I was with them when they test drove it, basically new as it was a dealer demo, told them not to buy it, still bought it anyway. Bleah. Since then though, I think TATA's done a bang up job with JLR. The new Rangies are exquisite. We are also very pleased with our LR3. My wife wants a full size Rangie...I do like how they depreciate!
10-14-2014, 02:20 PM
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I researched the Vantage quite a bit and the 2009+ models when they switched to the 4.7l engine appear to be quite good, but still, don't expect to drive it every day and not have some unique issues pop up that are to be expected with hand built low volume cars. Stick with the manual also.
10-14-2014, 04:48 PM
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I researched the Vantage quite a bit and the 2009+ models when they switched to the 4.7l engine appear to be quite good, but still, don't expect to drive it every day and not have some unique issues pop up that are to be expected with hand built low volume cars. Stick with the manual also.
Still, I would put the V-12 Vanquish at the top of my list of best looking cars. It is gorgeous...
10-14-2014, 04:54 PM
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I don't understand some of the Ford reliability comments. You all do realize the Ford's are some of the most reliable cars on the road?
I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
10-14-2014, 05:09 PM
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Saw a silver one the other day parked at a courthouse. Much too 'blingy' and gaudy for my tastes.
10-14-2014, 05:24 PM
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I don't understand some of the Ford reliability comments. You all do realize the Ford's are some of the most reliable cars on the road?
I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
I've never owned the more generic stuff but the high performance Mustangs come with bulletproof engines (forged bottom end etc) that can handle much more HP than they give you out of the factory - this is evident in the 5.4L and 5.8L Shelby GT500 engine as well as the 5.0L Boss 302 engine - both reliable up over 800hp and you can flog them all day long and never worry. So is this just an old American stereotype kind of like saying American cars can't turn? I suppose in the 90's this brand made a lot of garbage.
Even still, I get in a current year Mustang and just about puke with the interior materials and design. Just like Chevrolet with the Corvette, they can make a decent drivetrain, but then surround it with the a steaming pile of ****.
10-14-2014, 06:44 PM
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I like the engine noise and like the hp. It really moves, handles really well. What I don't like about it. It feels big compared to the Boxster. Interior is better than the C6 but still way below the 981/991. Interior is also very boring looking IMO. I'm starting to see a few C7's everyday so after the novelty wears off, it's just going to look like another C7. A lot of people in my neighborhood drives a C6 and it seems like everyone is trading in for a C7. I've only seen 4 Boxster around and I haven't seen a single one since I brought one. I just feel like if I brought the C7, I would probably trade it in in less than two years. Boxster is a keeper.
I researched the Vantage quite a bit and the 2009+ models when they switched to the 4.7l engine appear to be quite good, but still, don't expect to drive it every day and not have some unique issues pop up that are to be expected with hand built low volume cars. Stick with the manual also.
10-14-2014, 07:27 PM
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10-14-2014, 07:27 PM
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So you are comparing Ford quality from the past few years to Ford quality from 2 decades ago? The S-type and XK8 were some of the worst Jags, and mainly due to the Ford influence.
Even still, I get in a current year Mustang and just about puke with the interior materials and design. Just like Chevrolet with the Corvette, they can make a decent drivetrain, but then surround it with the a steaming pile of ****.
Even still, I get in a current year Mustang and just about puke with the interior materials and design. Just like Chevrolet with the Corvette, they can make a decent drivetrain, but then surround it with the a steaming pile of ****.
2) You've never sat in a Shelby or a Boss
3) Your neighbor's V6 doesn't count.